Ewa Mataya Laurance - Part 4 (The Win That Mattered Most—and the Life She Chose After Greatness)

Mike Gonzalez 0:15

So Iva after uh being named to the Hall of Fame two thousand four did participate in an event at the New York Hotel Casino in Las Vegas called the International Trick Shot Challenge.

Allison Fisher 0:29

Yeah, remember that, Ellie? No, I don't remember. I've got no nothing. There's nothing there. You want me to remind you? No, not at all, really. Let's move on to the next thing. You would have skipped that one? Yeah, because I don't know anything about it.

Ewa Mataya Laurance 0:45

You know, it's funny because during about a 12 to 15 year period, I was it was one year that I was on, I figured I was on the road 260 days out of the year. That's how bad it was. And it was exhausting, and that's including tournaments and exhibitions. And, you know, it was it was a lot, and different appearances of different kinds, doing weird TV shows. You know, it was just all over the place. And it was just one thing after another. And and I never really said no. There were charity events, there were paid paid events, money that I'd never dreamt of. I remember going to Australia. I went to Australia for two weeks in '93. And that was when Nikki and I moved down and moved in with Mitchell. It was before we had, I left Michigan to go down to Charlotte, and we were kind of testing to see if this was going to work. And he had asked me to marry him and everything else, and that happened in 94. But I get this job, and we had literally just gotten to, you know, it was the summer of 93, and and brought Nikki down. We had rented an RV, sold everything in Michigan, sold the house, moved down. And I get a job in Australia for three weeks. Um, did a whole tour for for Foster's beer. And said to Mitchell, Nikki, this is Mitchell. Mitchell, this is Nikki. Uh you got a couple of weeks to get to know each other, and uh see you later.

Allison Fisher 2:26

Wow.

Ewa Mataya Laurance 2:27

Yeah. And it turned out great, but I mean, they got to kind of know each other. But I mean, it was just a looking back, it was such a whirlwind of partly being in control and partly just being swept up in what was going on. So during that time, Pooh was, as far as the tournaments, as far as my craft, was kind of not even on the radar. It was just kind of taking advantage of situations the way they came at me and stuff that I created on my own and got started getting savvy as far as the business world of it, dealing with ESPN, dealing with sponsors, dealing with the corporate America, dealing with agents, dealing, you know, you just kind of start realizing a whole different thing and start getting other interests. I got really involved in running the WPBA, being the president, trying to take it to a different level, made some decisions. Some other people didn't think I was writ necessarily right, but to me it was always about the excellence. And sure, it cost me a lot of appearances, a lot of opportunities, but I always said it should be according to one of the things that I got in arguments with people about is I wanted it to be according to like what you were ranked, not what you looked like, not what necessarily they, you know, fine. You could have, remember one point we said you can invite 25% of the field. So if you want to have a tournament in Japan, you have to go by our WPBA rankings, then you can go by 20, you know, invite your fourth player or your two, you know, seventh, eighth players that you want to for excitement, for TV appearances, for attractiveness, whatever you want to do, but you need to keep so there was always a chance to invite me, to invite, you know, Allison wasn't an issue because she kept finishing towards the top, but it was me, Allison, Lori, John, uh, Vivian. For whatever reason, they felt we were somebody who could bring attention to things. But if we weren't ranked in the top four and they wanted four players, guess what? You can have, you can choose one. We choose the other three, and they have to be one, two, and three. And I think that that was I think it was good. We I remember Peg brought a company at one time that wanted to buy the WPBA Classic Tour because we owned it. We ran it. We were both a union as far as the players, because we owned this. We started this, it was our tour. We told, you know, told people the way it were. But I remember Peg brought in this company and they wanted to buy it, and they wanted to buy it for like a million something, which was huge money. But I remember being in a meeting with them and I said, okay, so you're telling me that if you buy our tour, you want to you decide that you want to just make the tour of the eight player of eight players to go on ESPN and you want to handpick the players. You want to have the right to do that? And they said, Yeah, I said, there's the door. I said, it's not gonna happen. It's not gonna happen. And I remember Peg and I got into it big time because maybe they could have taken us to another level, I don't know. But it was really important to me and to others that it was gonna stay, you know, the WPBA tour, the WPABA classic tour, and it was about excellence, not there was a lot of companies kind of tugging at us, wanting it to just be attractive, sex, fun, you know, like entertainment, and that's not what we wanted to be. So it was a very strange tug of war time at that, at that point, I have to say. That that part I hated, but it was it was how it was. Yeah.

Mike Gonzalez 6:28

Well, Alison, this that was just her way of saying that even just barely playing pool part-time, she still beat you.

Ewa Mataya Laurance 6:37

Chickshaw. Oh, yeah, I for I kind of forgot to be. No, I didn't beat her, I kicked her ass. Yeah, I sure did. I sure did.

Allison Fisher 6:45

Not my thing, not my forte. No, but so yeah, no, but it was all good fun. Uh in fact, let's mention him, Matt Braun, and at that time. Yeah, did a lot for the sport because we had the women's tournament of champions, the men's had champion of champions, and then they did the trick shot shows, they did speed pool. He was a promoter who did a lot for the game too to bring it to other eyes, you know.

Ewa Mataya Laurance 7:10

But again, going back to the beginning of Matt Braun, he's the one that brought the very first event that we had in outside of in, I can't remember where it was, outside of San Francisco. He had he was supposed to have all these, and the program was supposed to be all these cheerleaders were supposed to come in and actors or whatever it was for the program. But he brought to ESPN the idea. There were double tables. There was a two tables going the whole time again, where they could film and go back from one to the other. I remember Ron McCarran was was commentating on one table, Mitchell was commentating on the other table. They had people come in, blah, blah, blah. It was well, Sherry and Vicky were really involved at that time. I was kind of off the board. And it was gonna be all these matches were being taped for future use that year. And then they came up with the idea. Bill Fitz, who was the head of that department in the ESPN that covered pool, he said, you know, we should have a man woman $100,000 take all. And it could have been $50,000 but it was raised to $100 by Sherry and Vicky, I think, pushed it. But anyway. And it was supposed to be a winner-take-all. And we said, You can have the women, but only if it's 60-40. So $60,000, $40,000. End of story. We're not doing it. So and they went for it. And and negotiated that part. So I think it was Vivian and shoot. Help me more.

Allison Fisher 9:02

CJ swine. CJ Wiley. CJ Sylvania. She mean the final.

Ewa Mataya Laurance 9:05

Oh, yeah. Yes. And so that was a big, that was a big win. And I remember them going up to the room, and then Vicky had or Sherry had brought a bottle of wine up, and we cheered because it was a it was a big deal to kind of get one over on ESPN, and they went, you know what, let's test our waters here. So after that, we realized ESPN filmed probably about 60 hours of footage that year that they showed throughout the year. Well, players got one tournament. ESPN got 60 hours. They were just starting ESPN too at the time. They got 60 hours of programming. The sponsors got 60 hours of exposure. Players got one tournament. And that's when we said, if you want to have the women again, if you enjoy that whole thing, women's pool, you will give us X amount of hours of airtime that we can sell to our own events. And that was a really, that was another very boiling moment in our history. But that's what that's how part of how we could create the WPBA tour. Instead of that one tournament and then going back to different, you know, pool rooms, casino, whatever, we actually were able to kick off the WPBA classic tour with all these hours. Granted, they were in the beginning, they were giving us production costs, and then they all of a sudden cut that. But we are we were able to generate the the funds for the television production cost and and sponsorship, you know, money enough to to have prize money. But that was a that was a very big deal. And yeah, and then that's when he went to doing the trick shot events and the tournament of champions and all that kind of stuff.

Allison Fisher 11:01

That was monumental, actually. That's a big change to get on television for every event. No, I that that was when I came over. I came over at the right time. But prior to me coming over that year before, you had the Gordons events. The Gordon's events, they were very, didn't you? I missed out. I was a bit upset that I was a year late. We're okay with it.

Ewa Mataya Laurance 11:23

Yeah, they were. I mean, those were exciting events. I think we did two a year, maybe for two or three years, three years maybe. It was that was exciting.

Allison Fisher 11:33

20,000 to the winner. That was very big, big money. Yeah. And Lori John, I think, won five of them, didn't she? Out of six or two, she was freaking pregnant.

Ewa Mataya Laurance 11:43

She never missed a ball when she was pregnant. Oh, it's two against one. That's not fair. It's not fair.

Mike Gonzalez 11:49

So, how many terms did you serve as WPBA president? Three.

Ewa Mataya Laurance 11:56

That's about right.

Mike Gonzalez 11:57

In addition to terms on the board.

Ewa Mataya Laurance 11:59

Two a two-year and a two-year and then a one year, and I got into it with somebody that was on the board, and I kind of walked away.

Mike Gonzalez 12:08

So but you were inducted into their Hall of Fame in 2008.

Ewa Mataya Laurance 12:13

Oh, WPBA Hall of Fame? Yes. Yeah. Lori John and I got inducted the same year, actually. Unusual. Which was unusual, but funny. Kind of cool, yeah, to go in together like this. Absolutely.

Mike Gonzalez 12:25

Yeah.

Ewa Mataya Laurance 12:26

Yeah. It was a really fun video that that um Sherry and and Mitch put together. It was it was really fun.

Mike Gonzalez 12:34

Yeah. You had one more big win in you in 2012. This involves one of my co-hosts. Well, let's go back to the whole trick shot thing. Okay, fine. Yeah, let's let's yeah, let's relive that. Let's relive that. Just go shot by shot, would you please?

Ewa Mataya Laurance 12:50

Can we do that again? You know, uh it's kind of leading up to something funny because it wasn't like my career was over in 91, 92. In my mind, my professional pool career was semi-over. In other words, I never, other than moments where I said, damn it, I want to do. And I came in second and I came in fourth, fine, but it wasn't like the excellence of pool. By then it had taken sec, you know, kind of the back burner because of choices, because of choices kind of made for me, because of life, because of my daughter.

Allison Fisher 13:34

Everything has to give, yeah.

Ewa Mataya Laurance 13:36

Yeah, it's like you can only do so much. So but what's cool is after that I won three pretty big events: the World Cup of Trick Shots, the Boston, the Boston Classic.

Allison Fisher 13:56

I know where you're going with this.

Mike Gonzalez 13:57

Yes, you do, don't you? And where might that be, Praetel?

Ewa Mataya Laurance 14:03

Allison may have beaten me a few times. I I give her that. But those three tournaments, I always loved playing Allison, win or lose. Always loved playing her. And the the biggest win people say, you know, figuring it's got to be the world championship, this or that, or US Open this or the biggest tournament I think I won. And 80 the one you talked about, the the 1980, 88, no, 98 tournament in Boston was great. But the tournament she's really milking this, by the way. I'm taking my time just to really dig it in there. The biggest one as far as me, like, you know, you know, my my niece used to do this. She'd tap herself on the shoulder when I really felt. And it goes back, and that was was beating Allison in the finals at the uh Masters, our last ESPN tournament before we went to ESPN III.

Mike Gonzalez 15:06

You mean the Soaring Eagles Masters?

Ewa Mataya Laurance 15:09

That's the one.

Mike Gonzalez 15:11

Yeah.

Ewa Mataya Laurance 15:13

And the background to that was it was funny because I wasn't playing hardly at all. I mean, Brunswick, whenever they came with a new product, they would always send it to me and I would, you know, try it, test it, whatever. And they had come up with these new cues, these anniversary cues. And they sent me one and said to for me to give them input, what should be changed, what do you think? So trying this cue out, and I went, oh my God. And I've been playing with a great cue at the time that I that I really liked, but I went, I'm I love how this feels. And this was about three days before that where I was leaving for the Soaring Eagle tournament. And I said to Mitch, I'm playing with it. He goes, Well, you can't just switch now. And I said, Well, I yeah, I am. I'm switching. And that tournament, it was the weirdest thing. I remember I was playing Guy Young Kim, who was playing incredibly well at that time, early on in the tournament. And it was Hill Hill. And Jeanette had a moment where she missed a ball, and as I'm shooting a shot, she went, oh no! And I I was right behind her and missed the winning shot. So I ended up on the loser side. Then it really irked me. And I can't remember who I played after that, but I won that match. And then to get on the television matches, I played Jasmine and played out of my mind. Just played incredibly well. It was a good battle. She played great, came down to the last game or two, and I ended up winning that. And then got to play Guyang Kim again in the semifinals and won that. And I remember going, okay, when was the last time I was in the finals? And I tried to not have tried to ignore it. But I do love playing Allison.

Allison Fisher 17:15

I hate playing you.

Ewa Mataya Laurance 17:16

I love playing you. It's funny. You know, you have your people. Like I hate playing Karen. Shoot me before I have to play Karen Korr. Or or Kelly Fisher. One plays too slow, one plays too fast. I can't, I can't keep up and can't stay in my own game. But I love playing Allison, and it has a lot to do with friendship. A lot of people think that you kind of have to work up some kind of hate before you play somebody, but we really, I think we both respect each other. We're friends. We have kind of similar tempo, give or take, depending on the day for me, but what kind of shape I'm in. But and I remember, and I told Allison this about a third, a third of the way into the match. We were sitting waiting for the commercial break for ESPN. They were doing their thing. And I looked over and I saw this. I'm not sure if you can see this. I saw Allison swallow and I went, I got it. And I told you this before. That was the that's the sign. That's all you see out of Allison. If she's a little bit uncomfortable, then that's that was always the sign. So then I could relax and play. And that was a big win.

Mike Gonzalez 18:35

You probably didn't see that very often, though, over the years.

Ewa Mataya Laurance 18:39

No. And then it might I may have seen it earlier had I paid attention, but I can't remember what tournament we were playing. But but when I I kept looking for it after that and I never saw it again. I'm like, damn it. It's funny.

Allison Fisher 18:53

Twirl your chair around and just look.

Mark Wilson 18:56

Then you compare Allison, you know, naturally, she's the standard. It always reminds me of like Simona's cloth and these other manufacturers were just as good as Simona's deal. So that's the standard. So when your highlight is beating Allison, the same deal.

Allison Fisher 19:10

Well, thank you very much. Thank you.

Ewa Mataya Laurance 19:13

Well, again, I think it the excellence you've had, again, I don't think there's a shot you can make that anybody else that is on the pro tour can make. It's not about that. What what admires, what I always admire is the consistency. You know, when you see, when you when you see somebody, Phil Mickelson, amazing, but when you see somebody like Tiger and his in his greatness, he did it all the time. And to do it and to keep that level that you have kept, Allie, only if you've played it yourself do you understand how difficult that is mentally, socially, physically, and and it always seemed easy to you to kind of yeah. Yeah. Thank you. And that was that was.

Allison Fisher 19:59

I think I just loved it. I just love competing. Yeah. I just really enjoyed it. And uh that was my little place.

Mike Gonzalez 20:06

Yeah. Well, and as you found, Ava, when you tried to make a couple of shifts in your game, like shortening up your hand and and and shortening up your stroke, and you find that there's no shortcut to greatness, is there? I mean, it's it you gotta put in the hours, you gotta put in the reps to to you have to put in the hours, yeah.

Ewa Mataya Laurance 20:25

Yeah. And it has to be, you know, once you get to a certain point, fine, you need to fine-tune. But I mean, especially starting out, it has to be all that really matters, you know. It has to be what matters, is what you think about, is what you sleep about, is what you think of. You want to strive to improve, to keep consistency. You want it, you want to love it, and at the same time, it has to be, you know, I don't know. It it's it's hard to to explain to somebody that hasn't lived it.

Mark Wilson 21:01

It is high-level pool is a lifestyle. It's not something you practice up for. It's all you're all in 24-7. Yeah.

Ewa Mataya Laurance 21:09

Yeah. There's people that are playing all the time. So so what do you have to do to get better? I mean, it's it's not something that you just have this talent and you wake up and you and you win tournaments. I mean, you've got to put the work in. You really do.

Allison Fisher 21:22

Yeah, and that's in an age group different, you know, as you get older, you value your time differently. Plus, you have family, you know, not everyone understands what you're doing. Maybe your enjoyment isn't the same as it once was. I mean, there's so many young players now, and you were talking earlier, you've written three books. We that's all we had back then was books and people. And now it's all over, like you said, YouTube. Anyone can become a master at the game now. Yeah, you've got to have that inward thing, uh something inside.

Mike Gonzalez 21:51

Yeah.

Ewa Mataya Laurance 21:52

Whether it's you know, being around like you were talking about Jan Stevenson, right? Um You can't do it all. You literally can't. I mean, it's a if you want to be the best at something, you can be really good at a lot of things. You know, I give myself credit. Mitchell reminds me all the time between raising my daughter, we have a great relationship, managed to to do well on the tour, well enough to get in the Hall of Fame, win championships, you know, ran the WPBA for quite a while, been running the APA pool leagues here for for quite a while. So I mean, but you can't, you can do be really, really good at a lot of things, but you can't be great at one thing if you are doing other things. It's just you you gotta make choices. That's true.

Allison Fisher 22:45

Very true.

Mike Gonzalez 22:46

I'll use I'll use a term that you used earlier uh in in a lot of the golf interviews we've done on other podcasts uh invariably you'll talk about people that maybe flamed out a little early in their careers, and you sort of ask them what was at the root of that, and uh consistently it's I didn't know how to say no.

Ewa Mataya Laurance 23:06

Yeah. When when success comes, it takes over. And maybe if you if you were if I would have been really wealthy, or maybe if I wouldn't have been a mom at the time, I would have just said, no, I'm gonna go on tour. I mean, it's like when I was living in in New York doing the act, I mean the modeling thing. Yeah, money was real good. I got invited to this and uh exciting, but it wasn't pool. So I think that all these opportunities thrown at you, you you got choices. I get became a mom real early on, and I had a responsibility to take care of my daughter. So yeah, pool became second instantly. And I mean you can relate to that, Allie. Oh, definitely. It's like all of a sudden it just definitely life changes.

Allison Fisher 23:55

Yeah, yeah. You've got to, you've got to look at life a little bit differently. You've got some somebody else there that you've got to take care of. Yeah.

Mike Gonzalez 24:03

Well, why don't you catch our listeners up, uh Ava, from your last big victory in the Masters to today. You mentioned uh running the APA pool leagues in the area where you live. What what other what other things are you up to these days?

Ewa Mataya Laurance 24:19

These days, I kind of I don't know. I I love working with my daughter and my son-in-law both work with me in the league. Mitchell helps out. He's our he's our gopher. He's our you know, gopher this and gopher that. But yeah, it's a real kind of a family thing. I really enjoyed it. Met a ton of great people that just really love the game. You know, some some of the pros will have said to me in the past, can't how can you stand sitting there looking at two lower skill level players taking, you know, 40 minutes to finish a rack of eight ball? And I go, you don't understand. I've seen the best of the best of pool many times. I've played it myself many times. So somebody just breaking running out, unless it's a unique run out. But when you see two skill level threes, two people who, you know, whether they accidentally make a ball somewhere or they or they make a really good and they make a long stop shot that they had never done before and they go woo-hoo, or they win a match for their team. I'm telling you, I I get way more joy out of that now than I, you know, than I would watching, you know, I'll watch the Muscone Cup sometimes. I'll tune into some of the other events, but to watch these guys, their joy and their love of the game, and you teach them a little bit. I mean, I know that these two I'm talking to, Alice and and Mark, both know, once a light ball goes off, the joy that they feel from just learning something basic that that we take for granted and that we learned 40 years ago. But for them to learn something and eat the game up, I I I love it. I love it. So it's been a lot of fun doing the APA League. Other than that, I play golf when my back is good. I play a little bit of pool, but again, golf and I mean uh but my back and my neck is pretty much shot. So that's just occasional. And then I love my life. I don't know.

Allison Fisher 26:29

You've deserved it. You've you've you've earned it, haven't you? Really?

Ewa Mataya Laurance 26:32

Yeah, paid my dues, Allie.

Allison Fisher 26:34

You definitely paid your dues. You definitely did that, and you've earned where you are now in life, which is to enjoy it more with the people that you love.

Mark Wilson 26:41

Years ago, Ava and Mitch and I were talking, and um their dream was to open a bookstore and drink coffee down the way. Do you remember that? I do. Yeah, and I was all about it too.

Ewa Mataya Laurance 26:55

We still do the coffee.

Mike Gonzalez 26:56

Yeah, sign us up. Sign us up. Yeah. Well, listen, Ava, before we let you go, if you've heard any of our stories to date with this new fledgling plot podcast that we started, we always like to finish with three final questions for our guest. And I'm gonna let Mr. Wilson ask you the first question.

Mark Wilson 27:17

Oh, okay. Careful.

Ewa Mataya Laurance 27:20

I know things about you too.

Mark Wilson 27:22

Okay. If you knew when you were 20 what you know now, what would you have done differently?

Ewa Mataya Laurance 27:32

I would have forgiven myself more. Whether it was missing a shot or doing the wrong thing, I would have said, hey, I would have forgiven myself, I would have apologized more. I've always been really bullheaded, strong-minded, maybe pushed too hard. I would have said I'm sorry. And I also would have said I'm sorry to myself, or I go, Ava, you you could have gone for that. You didn't have to be quote unquote humble. You could have gone for that one. So yeah, forgiveness for myself, forgiveness for others. I think in my game and in life, it would have served me better if I would have lived as a 60-year-old when I was 20.

Mark Wilson 28:17

I think a little bit of your grit, though, came about from that. Because I was thinking about that earlier too, because it would have been easy for you to just uh be the pretty face and get things handed to you and have it. But you always had that fight that you don't often see when people that get something comes their way.

Mike Gonzalez 28:34

Yeah.

Mark Wilson 28:35

And so I always admired that part of it.

Ewa Mataya Laurance 28:37

Yeah, thank you. I admire that part about myself too, sometimes, I have to say. I mean, it's uh it's work ethics. I I credit my parents a lot for that because that's how I grew up. It was just you work hard.

Mike Gonzalez 28:52

All right, question number two as a golfer, you to appreciate this. We're gonna give you one mulligan, one shot to do over. Can you think of one that would have made a difference?

Ewa Mataya Laurance 29:03

Yes. It was in the finals of my supposed to have been third US Open win, and I missed it against Joanne Mason Parker. That one haunts me. It doesn't haunt me, I shouldn't say that. Yeah, okay. I dreamt about it last night.

Mike Gonzalez 29:26

Okay, fair enough.

Allison Fisher 29:28

And the final question, the final question is how would Ava like to be remembered?

Ewa Mataya Laurance 29:37

That's almost oh my god, I know Mitchell's gonna cry at this one because it almost made me how would I like to be remembered? I would like to remember that I was hardworking, honest, opinionated, stubborn, and fair. And a good grandma.

Allison Fisher 29:58

Very good. I can agree with all of those that you have in all of those. Stubborn, especially. No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Whatever they're all good qualities.

Mark Wilson 30:09

Well, I'm gonna add one then too. One time where I was working with uh Steve Tipton running the WPBA, and Ava was due to play like 8 p.m. and he was gonna displace her, and so he insists that I go tell her because he doesn't want to face any backlash. And I also know there's a real possibility here. And what she's got a temper, we'll just say it that way. So his He didn't want to get on the wrong side of uh Ryan. Didn't work out on the set me out, but anyway. Well, I loved having you on this.

Ewa Mataya Laurance 30:41

Wait, what do you mean displace me?

Mark Wilson 30:43

Uh uh to the next round, 10 p.m. You know that he you you planned to play at eight. He rescheduled things, and then he insisted that I go be the bearer of bad news.

Ewa Mataya Laurance 30:54

Chicken, you know how you and you were Mr. Sweetheart. What am I gonna do? Yell at you? No, you didn't yell at him.

Mark Wilson 31:00

You you insist you you gave me a direct message to give to him directly that I won't repeat here, but I do know what it was.

Mike Gonzalez 31:07

Yes, something, something, strong letter to follow. Yes. It's been a delight, David. We've been looking forward to this, I said at the top, for a long time. And I know Mark and Allie joined me in uh in how pleased we were to get you on and and make make sure we were going to add your story to all those legends that we have here on Legends of the Q. Thanks for being with us.

Ewa Mataya Laurance 31:30

It was great. I really love what you guys are doing that you're taking the time to care and to bring it to people who you know, without this, may never have a chance to get to know all the different players, but not just that, but the stories. It's not just the individual player, but the stories behind it all is it's kind of a cool thing. So we appreciate you guys.

Allison Fisher 31:55

Well, thank you, Ava, for your time. It's always a pleasure. Thank you so much.

Mark Wilson 31:59

I appreciate it too. Yeah, love you.

Ewa Mataya Laurance 32:01

Good to see you. Yeah, I love you too. Love you.

Allison Fisher 32:04

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