Kelly Fisher - Part 5 (Heart, Grit, and Glory)

Mike Gonzalez 0:15

Well, let's go back to some of your career wins. One thing I noticed is you won a whole lot of international tournament of champions. Tell our listeners a little bit about what that event was like.

Kelly Fisher 0:26

Oh, the champion of champions is that.

Allison Fisher 0:29

Tournament of champions. Yeah.

Kelly Fisher 0:31

Yeah, that was a great event. Once every year it was Ali's won it. How many times have you won it? Six, I think. Yeah, yeah. Who's counting?

Mike Gonzalez 0:40

Who's counting? No, I'm counting. It was six.

Kelly Fisher 0:43

I bet you I've won five. Have I won five? Or four? I guarantee you. I've had one or two less. Come on.

Mike Gonzalez 0:52

One, two, three, four. We're trying to find a couple more for you.

Allison Fisher 0:59

Come on, Peter.

Mike Gonzalez 1:00

I'm trying to find a couple more for you. I see four.

Kelly Fisher 1:03

You will. I think it's war.

Mike Gonzalez 1:06

It could be a clerical error, but I see.

Kelly Fisher 1:07

Listen, I'm used to it. It's okay. It's alright. It's all right.

Mike Gonzalez 1:12

This is Challenge of Champions we're talking about.

Allison Fisher 1:14

Well, the Challenge of Champions was for men. The women's was called Tournament of Champions. Oh, really? Oh, I didn't know that.

Mike Gonzalez 1:20

No. Yeah.

Mark Wilson 1:21

Okay.

Mike Gonzalez 1:22

Yeah. So you won it in 2029, 2010, 2013, 2014. So it was what? Just the winners from the previous year got together to play? Is that that the way that worked?

Kelly Fisher 1:37

Yeah, the champions of the year who had won the most, the four, and it was winner take all. It actually ended in after 2014. There wasn't another one.

Mark Wilson 1:46

Yeah.

Kelly Fisher 1:46

They thought, well, Ali's, they thought Ali's got six, Kelly's got four. So we can't allow Kelly to catch up, so we'll just stop it.

Allison Fisher 1:54

Yeah, I put an end to that, Kelly. Let's change the rules.

Kelly Fisher 1:57

She she pulled the plug on it, Ali. Yeah, pulled the plug.

Allison Fisher 2:00

Enough is enough. Enough is enough. No, it's really it was a fantastic event. I mean, it was exciting. It was two short races to four, and then that one was it one game playoff? One game.

Kelly Fisher 2:12

One game playoff.

Allison Fisher 2:13

So it was very cut through. Yeah, it was very cutthroat. And in the Wolf Den mostly in Connecticut, Wolf Den Arena. Mohegan Sun. Fantastic venue, great atmosphere, lovely crowd.

Mike Gonzalez 2:27

ESPN.

Allison Fisher 2:28

Great when you win it, awful when you lose it.

Kelly Fisher 2:30

Yeah, ESPN, like Mark said, yeah, full coverage. Great, great event.

Mike Gonzalez 2:35

Well, you went back to back in the US Open Nine Ball Championship in 2008. You won it again in 2009. And then in 2011, we uh we win a world championship in 10 ball. By that point, how much 10 ball had you played?

Kelly Fisher 2:52

Good question, actually.

Mike Gonzalez 2:55

Probably not that much.

Allison Fisher 2:56

I don't think many people have played much at that point on the women's circuit, they no, because 2011 I won it.

Kelly Fisher 3:02

I played in the world championships the year before because I remember Jasmine Ocean won it. Um I'd played in that event. But that would have been about it, I think.

Allison Fisher 3:11

That was the shopping mall in the Philippines.

Kelly Fisher 3:14

Yeah, in the Philippines, yeah. Yeah, and that was yeah, yeah, it was. It was in a shopping mall in the Philippines, and they had in between racks on the final on the TV table, they'd blast music out. Music would blast out in between racks, and then for the TV coverage, and then of and then it would go quiet and down. But we had five or six stories. We were talking about this just the other day with Rublin. There was five or six floors of people, and they would actually stop the escalators because there was that many people looking over, watching, that they stopped all the escalators moving, um, so that people won't get injured, so they could all stand on the escalators looking over. Yeah, yeah. And somebody threw a coin down. I remember that one, yeah. Uh it landed, it hit the wood of the table, thankfully. But yeah, somebody threw a coin down. I just remembered.

Mike Gonzalez 4:13

What was the craziest venue you guys can remember?

Allison Fisher 4:20

We played in a tent, I remember that in Los Angeles. It was like a giant tent for the finals, event. It was a tour WPBA tournament, and it was a marquee for a marquee, and it was an unusual event. So that would be one strange venue, I think. I didn't mind. I'm trying to think. No, I'm trying to think on the rest of anything. We haven't played in the desert or anything like that, have we? No.

Kelly Fisher 4:49

Shopping malls, weird.

Allison Fisher 4:51

We've played in gymnasiums, we've played in huge arenas with thousands, haven't we? In Taiwan for Amway Cup. That's always wonderful.

Kelly Fisher 4:59

That's right. And shopping malls, we've played that Amway Cup 2 or shopping malls sometimes as well. Remember?

Allison Fisher 5:07

Yes, I do remember. I'm not a fan of the shopping mall events. Not me. I like I like a hotel, a conference center, I like an a proper arena where it's quiet. You know.

Mike Gonzalez 5:20

So a year after 2011's win at the World Ten Ball Championship, you decide to change disciplines and win the nine ball world championship. Where was that contested?

Kelly Fisher 5:32

That was in China, yeah. And that was probably the most memorable, if I'm honest. Uh I remember that. Yeah, I bet you do. That was it was it was the most memorable. I mean, don't get me wrong, I remember the Philippines won the 10 ball. It was the atmosphere that was the most memorable for me. And that when when I won the confetti and the music, so I remember it for that, but the China World Nine Ball Championships was most memorable for a different reason. I uh two things happened. Ali was watching, I'll never forget, I remember exactly where you were sitting, and on the original programme it said it was a race to 11. But as I've got down and I'm relaxed a bit and cleared up to go 9-7 up, I believe, or nine-six up, she's come and shook my hand. So it was a delayed reaction, referees every all the everything started, you know, and I won the world championships thinking I were racing to eleven. She didn't even know it.

Allison Fisher 6:42

She didn't even know it.

Kelly Fisher 6:44

It was a race to nine. Yeah. I probably would have dogged it if I'd have known it. Well, that's the thing, isn't it?

Allison Fisher 6:49

It said on the on the you know, the scoreboards next to them 11. Yeah, and on the program, everything every piece of material that we had raced to eleven, and then she got to nine and she didn't know she'd won.

Kelly Fisher 7:03

No. And Ali was as much shock as I was. We looked at each other all that was going on. What just happened? You look at the YouTube video, and I'm getting the balls back out, Mark. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah.

Mike Gonzalez 7:16

Has that ever happened before? To you? You don't remember that that happening before at all?

Kelly Fisher 7:22

No, not to me. You Ali? No, never. No, never. So that was unique. And the the second unique part was this my sponsorship at the time with was Fury Q's, and the prize money was 40,000 before tags. But in my sponsorship contract, it just shows you how much faith they had in me. In my sponsorship contract, it stated that if I were to win a world championship, that they would match the prize money. First or second place. So when I got to the final, I was aware of this, and I'm like, I'm already on and doubling it, and I'm playing for the final of a difference of 40 odd thousand. Just difference because they're doubling it, so 20 odd thousand the door. Well, if I'd have known it were a race to nine and not eleven, believe me, there'd have been some twitching. It was only because I thought I didn't know. But so that was, and it was life-changing for me at that time. I remember it was massive. It was massive for me at that time. You know, a lot of money, my God, for anybody. Never mind, just for me. So yeah, the pressure in that match, but thank God I didn't know it would race to nine. That's all I can say.

Allison Fisher 8:44

You know what was funny? That was your last opportunity to win that amount of money from a sponsor, wasn't it? You were in the that was your last chance, I think. I don't know unless you signed again, but I'm just saying that was um and I remember them presenting that check at the in the at the end of the event, didn't they? In the banquet, yeah. In the banquet. Yeah. Another 40 grand. Thank you very much. 40 grand, yeah.

Mike Gonzalez 9:08

Well, other than the other than relieving some financial pressures then, what other changes did that allow or cause in your life? Well, you able to schedule better, would you know what what changed?

Kelly Fisher 9:21

Well, I actually looked at buying a property, you know, and which which I went on to do from then. It was just a bit of financial security. But I I mean, don't get me wrong, I remember saying to my dad, oh dad, I've got a practice. He says, Remember that vegetable factory used to say that to me all the time. It really did. If ever I complained about anything, but it you know, money was better than it than it had ever been compared to in the UK. But to live in America and travel, it's expensive too. So it's good to have you know a bit of security there. And this just gave me that, and it allowed me to you know play freely and not rely on sponsorship, not rely on results, and and basically just have a bit of security, which I were getting older at that point, and everybody needs that. But then I got the deposit down for a property which purchased 2016 or 17, so yeah, it was using that money.

Mike Gonzalez 10:17

Yeah, so 2012. You just uh you just had won your second world championship, you were the billiard digest player of the year again, and and then the wins just keep continuing, including these international tournament champion wins, but uh you know, you win you win uh at least three times in the WPBA tour in 2013. I see a win in the 2014 International Tournament Champions. That one was at Harris Resort in California in 2014.

Allison Fisher 10:52

I do remember stayed with your brother, didn't we? Or we visited your brother on the way.

Kelly Fisher 10:56

Yeah, and he visited he came and watched us play. That's right. The funny thing with that one was I'd just had open heart surgery.

Allison Fisher 11:06

That's right, you'd just come off that, didn't you?

Mike Gonzalez 11:09

Oh, I was just about to ask you what was going on.

Allison Fisher 11:12

I was thinking what was going on. I knew there was something, but I couldn't put my finger on it. That was the timeline.

Mike Gonzalez 11:17

Well, tell us about that.

Allison Fisher 11:19

Let's talk about that. How in Taiwan, do you remember we were in Taiwan at the M Way Cup? She came off a match and she said, Ali, my chest's thumping unusually. It's does it doesn't feel right. Do you remember that? Yeah, that was where it all started, I think.

Kelly Fisher 11:34

Yeah, well, from 2009, I'd I'd gone back and I'd uh having palpitations here and there, and they told me I had oh, I always forget this word colon, or something. No, no, no, this was back. They told me it's nothing to worry about. Heart murmur, that was it. I had a heart murmur. So I got every time coming from America back to the UK, I got checked. Heart murmur, heart murmur, everything's fine. Okay, so that I'm wake up, I said, Ali, there's something. I said, It's just not feeling right. But that Christmas before it, I was just laying in bed watching TV and it it had changed, it had gone to like a bubbling feeling, and this is what happened at the Amwake Up. So the just to go on a bit further back, I lost my dad in 2013. Cancer again, and I'm gonna explain you'll know why I'm telling you this as well. Is that point I just got the player of the year or something and won something, and my dad said to me, So I'm so proud of you. He said, You've won everything that what you set out to win, and everything there is to win, you've won it. And I said, No, I've not, Dad, not yet. And he says, What do you mean? I said, Well, I've not won the Amway Cup, and he's like, Okay, he says, Well, get it won then. Well, we lost him in 13, and that year I won it, the Amway Cup, and we lost him in January, and I won it in February, but this was when these niggles were all starting to get better, and I said to Ali, I'm not right, so I went for checks, nothing, nothing, and in the end, the doctor suggested beta blockers, and I said, I can't have beta blockers. I said, uh, we can get randomly drug tested. Oh, what do you do? And it ended up being a family friend that knew once he realized I played pool, he knew who I was, and before you know it, I'm being sent for all these tests, left, right, and centre, to get it fully checked. Bearing in mind in the UK, it's free healthcare, so you know it's yeah. So off I go, every check came back okay until I had an ultrasound and found that I had a hole in the heart. And I was born with a hole in the heart, and it had gone undetected from birth to the point where there was actually no wall left between the top two chambers. So I had to have open heart surgery, and that was in 2014. And uh then here we are back. I'd recovered and then played in the tournament of champions.

Mike Gonzalez 14:16

So was the heart heart murmur, was that a correct diagnosis at the time? Or it was just sort of yeah, okay.

Kelly Fisher 14:22

Probably not. It was because there was a hole and the blood was yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mike Gonzalez 14:27

Well, you you referenced winning that that Mway uh nine ball. That was over Jasmine, that was in Taipei, Taiwan in 2013. You went on to become the digest player of the year again, and so now we're at the International Tournament of Champions, and uh I seem to recall you might have been playing Allison Fisher in that final. Do you have any memory of that?

Allison Fisher 14:47

I do, I do.

Mike Gonzalez 14:50

And the score what the score wasn't pretty as I recall either.

Kelly Fisher 14:54

What do you mean? Yeah, I don't know. What do you mean? What do you mean by that?

Mike Gonzalez 14:59

Well, I I I've just got a note to myself, kicked alley's what's this word? A R S E? Yeah.

Allison Fisher 15:08

Arse. Arse.

Mike Gonzalez 15:11

So I'm thinking, was it 9-1 or something? I don't know. I don't remember. Yeah.

Allison Fisher 15:21

Kicked Ali's. Oh. Was it something different?

Mike Gonzalez 15:25

It's all coming back to you now.

Allison Fisher 15:26

It's not coming back to me because I don't remember. Oh no, you don't remember those. I'm not gonna sing it because I haven't got the voice at the moment. Maybe later on in this shower, I think.

Mike Gonzalez 15:37

It was at Hara's Resort in California, yeah.

Allison Fisher 15:40

Yeah, well, I remember playing you in the final, and I got I was really upset because I just remember a couple of oh, I I think she had a bit of a luck.

Kelly Fisher 15:49

I did, and I was really, I was like, That's right. It really didn't happen when I got really lucky, yeah. Yeah. Ali, it was meant to be, darling. Keep telling you, you've had your lot, you've loved it.

Allison Fisher 16:05

Mark, this is what she used to say to me. You've had your time, it's over now, and you've got back on to somebody else. I need to get over it.

Kelly Fisher 16:15

I said, I said, Ali, you've won enough, darling. Yeah, but you know, share the love. You've won it.

Allison Fisher 16:21

That's what she was doing.

Kelly Fisher 16:23

Motherly love it. Sisterly love.

Allison Fisher 16:25

Yeah, sisterly love. If only won it, let me have a bit, you know. Yeah, exactly. She'd be like that, and I'd be like, Wow.

Mike Gonzalez 16:32

So did the health thing did that set you back much, or did you pick it right back up once you kind of healed up from that surgery?

Kelly Fisher 16:39

I picked it back up too quickly, probably. I shouldn't have travelled to that tournament, probably. But I'd healed well and everything was fine. I the only thing that happened after the surgery was I got the yips. This is something not many people know. I never made it public at the time, and I struggled with it for quite a while. Apparently, when you put on a life support machine or your heart stopped completely and you put on that, you can have a lot of like vision problems for up to a year, brain fog, forgetfulness, and different stuff. And I did have the vision thing and I had a bit of everything, but it went very quickly. I thought, oh, I've got away with this. But one strange, weird, weird, odd thing was I got the yips. So basically, I've already got a short stroke, and it got to most people like on the backstroke, they cannot let go bring it forward, let go, yeah, and bring it and and go through. For me, it was the opposite from pausing at the front and then you begin your backstroke. I couldn't, I couldn't pull back. Interesting, and it was so short that and it was just a mind thing. I know it was it was mental, but it took me uh about three years to properly get over that. Not the art surgery, the yips. Yeah, heart surgery is nothing. Oh, yeah.

Allison Fisher 18:06

I mean, she was so resilient and amazing, really courageous through all of that. It's amazing.

Kelly Fisher 18:12

Heart surgery, no problem.

Mike Gonzalez 18:13

Yeah, you know that's that's quite common in golf, right? Yips the yips, and it's been studied. As a matter of fact, I've got a very good uh doctor who Allie knows that uh actually conducted a study with the PGA tour, studying brain waves and all types of things to find out what was going on, what was the kind of the root cause of of the yips? And and uh one of the things they found out, and and your thing was maybe different because your brain maybe it was affected by surgery and it had to heal and so forth. But in the typical case of Yips, if people kept going about it the same way, in other words, their putting stroke, the way they gripped and so forth, if they tried to repeat it and do it the same way they'd always done it, they were never going to overcome the yips. So they did they had to dramatically change their approach to how they putted to get rid of that. So luckily you were able to stick to your guns, and it just kind of you know came back to your old form at some point.

Allison Fisher 19:13

You did change some things, you didn't you? You did have some ideas like putting a piece of extra cue on the end or coming back twice, like move. I tried everything.

Mike Gonzalez 19:24

Yeah, okay. So you did you did try to mix things up, yeah. Yeah.

Kelly Fisher 19:27

I was like oh strickland, I had weights on my arm and cue, and just trying to get the feeling of pulling it back, and I really struggled with that for a long time. But yeah, eventually, eventually it went. Well I got it back in control somewhat. I still feel I've always had that short stroke, but yeah, it came back to somewhat normal.

Mike Gonzalez 19:49

Yeah, yeah. Well, you went on through the you know, the the period that we're talking about from 2014 on. You win in 16, you win a couple times in 17, a couple times in 18. You just keep winning. I'm 19. I mean, we're we're really every year till today, so you've kind of continued on form, but I guess I'd ask you this for any of your competitors that have seen you play in the last 10 years, what changes have they seen or observed in Kelly Fisher's game over the last 10 years?

Allison Fisher 20:21

Oh, me or Kelly.

Mike Gonzalez 20:23

No, what what what what what have her competitors noticed about her game over the last 10 years? Anything different? Anything changed?

Allison Fisher 20:31

I think she slowed up in a good way. Her pace is better. Because often with very fast players like the Vivians or the, you know, whoever, Guy Young's a Kelly, they make uh silly errors. You know, because they're just a little too quick. Whereas I think firstly, another thing is her all-round game improved a lot, her kicking ability, her banking ability, her safety play, I think her shot choices improved a lot. Her shot choices was a major thing, and then her pace play.

Mike Gonzalez 21:06

Okay, so so when you say pace, just so our listeners understand exactly what you're talking about, because somebody may be sitting here thinking, well, she just got quick action back and forth and doesn't pause and all that stuff, versus thinking about what you're doing and and breathing and all the other stuff that comes with that.

Allison Fisher 21:24

I think taking care of shots that need care and her walking around the table was not quite as fast. You know, of course she's getting too.

Kelly Fisher 21:35

Hey, hey, hey.

Allison Fisher 21:36

But the rh yeah, the rhythm the rhythm definitely changed a little bit and I in a good way. In a good way. It made 'em to me, it made her a more complete player as an observation. She became a more complete player.

Mike Gonzalez 21:49

Well, you talked about your your health issues. Have you been able to stay healthy since then, or were there any other things that kind of came along uh after the heart thing?

Kelly Fisher 21:58

Well, I had a few few years of Of a tough time really with my dad 13 and then open art surgery 14. In 2015, I had to have a double mastectomy and reconstruction due to the cancer gene. I had a cancer gene test just to lose due to losing my parents with cancer and grandparents too. And I tested positive for the BRCA2. So I took the I made the decision to take the prevention, the preventive route, if you like, and I decided to have a double mastectomy and a full hysterectomy the following year. So 2015, double mastectomy with reconstruction, which was very tough. It was equally, if not more, is tougher than the heart surgery, really, for recovery-wise. And then recovered from that, carried on again. And then in 2000 and uh what year are we in now? 16, I had to have a hysterectomy, which that was easy peasy compared. So yeah.

Mike Gonzalez 23:05

So the gene testing, of course, we we didn't hear much about that 20, 30 years ago, right? This is a a bit more of a newer development, and and women are being more proactive and trying to understand the risk set that they are in based upon the the testing that you can do now. Is it is it common then for women after finding that uh they're positive for that particular test, to go ahead with that sort of surgery? Is it still more not the norm?

Kelly Fisher 23:36

Good question. I I uh I don't know actually, if I'm honest. I know some the options are is to get checked every six months, but my percentages I had two gene mutations, one was the BRCA2, and I had another one which I never heard of called the BRIP one, and the percentages of breast cancer for me by the age of 45 would have been 87%, I believe, off the top of my head, or 83%, and the chance of me having ovarian cancer, which is how I lost my mum, was up to 27%. So for me it was a no-brainer, really. I didn't want to go every six months just waiting. Uh, I'm 47 now, and and the likelihood is is you know, so I'm very happy I did that. And for me at the time, having going through the heart surgery, it's it was just a no-brainer. The reconstruction part was the hardest part because of the way I choose chose a dip flap, which is to cut from hip to hip and use the tissue there, and that was very difficult recovery because I couldn't move my arms or sit up or anything all at once. So that was a it was a 13-hour surgery, it was a tough one. But yeah, I don't I would do it again just simply because of the risk involved. But the the gene thing, it's funny, it had to have come from our dad because my brother has the exact same. The he has the exact same, so it must have we we didn't know if it came from my mum or dad. My mum or dad had it, I didn't know, and they weren't here to test to know. But then when my brother got tested, he's got the same, then it's obviously from our dad. So yeah, very well, very thankful, very grateful uh finding out about the heart problem that could have gone undetected for a lot longer, and very lucky to have found out about the BRACA and the LCD.

Mike Gonzalez 25:31

And I'm sure this particular issue has become then very near and dear to your heart in terms of uh philanthropy and and uh just uh supporting that sort of cause.

Kelly Fisher 25:40

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I know we're in breast cancer awareness month, and I've done a few things with my sponsors, you know, to try and promote and even tell my story. Yeah, yeah. Even I've actually just tonight had a pink tip put on my queue, Ali.

Allison Fisher 25:59

Ah, have you?

Kelly Fisher 26:00

Yeah, yeah, I've just had a pink tip put on tonight. It's red. Yeah, it's not pink. I've nothing. Oh, I have. I have.

Allison Fisher 26:08

Oh, look at that. It made an appearance.

Kelly Fisher 26:12

There we go. There we go. Um, but yeah, I I've just had a pink tip put on tonight, but we're doing with a couple of my sponsors, and I've even on one of them told with Predator told uh my story basically. So, you know, if it helps one person to go get checked, you know, or or take the test. Yeah, or have the courage to do the preventative routes, correct? Because I mean, I I had a friend, a school friend of mine reach out by Facebook who got tested and I told her my story, and she was gonna choose to do the same, and in the end she did not. So I yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know what if most people do or don't. I really don't know the answer to that, Mike.

Mark Wilson 26:55

Yeah.

Mike Gonzalez 26:56

Well, hopefully you'll be on the TV table sometime soon so everybody can see that pink tip.

Kelly Fisher 27:01

Indeed, yeah. Yeah, I hope so. I've got to win a few matches to get on there, so I better show you in here.

Mike Gonzalez 27:07

Sure you will. So let's talk about your experience winning a gold medal in 2022. This would have been, I think, uh, at the World Games, is that right?

Kelly Fisher 27:17

Yeah, well, this is just after COVID, right? So it was weird because in 2019, right before COVID, I didn't think I were ever going to win another world title necessarily. I was hitting 40. Well, yeah, 2019 I was just over 40, and I thought, you know, realistically, the Chinese, and I won the world championships for the second time nine ball in 2019. Then I was in China for it, and then come back and COVID hits, and you know, apparently come from China, and oh I'm like, oh my god, everything, everything shuts down, and then we come out and we've got the World Games that had I think been pr put forward an extra year, Ali. Am I right? I can't remember.

Allison Fisher 28:04

I don't remember.

Kelly Fisher 28:05

Yeah, I don't remember, but then to win that gold medal, I mean, that was that's when it's not about money, it's not about anything. Uh I'd played in two previously and got a bronze medal in one and not so good and didn't do anything in the other. So third time lucky, and you know, absolutely really very special and close. Another goal of mine that you know I I can actually say I fulfilled and more about the meaning of it than anything else.

Mike Gonzalez 28:36

Right, yeah. And I didn't mean to skip over your 2019 uh women's world nine ball championship. I got you. No, no, no. It's we I mean you're trying to catch up with Allison here, so Oh, she's doing it, isn't she?

Allison Fisher 28:48

She's just doing it, just copying everything.

Mike Gonzalez 28:51

That was in uh Sanya China against Jasmine Oshan.

Kelly Fisher 28:56

In the final, yeah.

Allison Fisher 28:58

Was it in what the final of the worlds or the gold medal?

Mike Gonzalez 29:02

Final of the world.

Allison Fisher 29:03

Final of the worlds. Oh, you've nipped Jasmine in the bud, haven't you, a couple of times and in the finals? In the world, especially.

Kelly Fisher 29:10

Like it's Philippines and there. And then the Amway, yeah. Yeah, so yeah. Yes, I think but the World Games was Rita, so do you.

Allison Fisher 29:20

Right. Yeah. Oh, I remember she played that nine ball left-handed. Correct. Do you remember that? Yeah, and that was a crucial point in the match. It's very close. It was 9-7 you won, I think. Yeah, that's right. I couldn't believe she did that. I was like, wow. She missed it, yeah.

Mike Gonzalez 29:35

Oh, she missed it. Oh.

Allison Fisher 29:36

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