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In 87, I guess 88.
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You were in Vegas at that time, were you in that model based?
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For 20 years.
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Um and so was it about 1988 that Qtopia happened?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I won a few tournaments in 1987.
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And it came down to the last tournament of the year.
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It was between Lori John and I, who was going to win Player of the Year.
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And we were at Allen's tournament at the Super Billiards Expo in Valley Forge.
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And I play was playing so good that tournament.
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And I beat her like 9-4, 9-3 for the hot seat.
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And so now I go to bed.
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I woke up the next day, sick as a dog.
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I had the flu.
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I was so sick.
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And I was, you know, mentally I was sick too because, you know, I was going to beat Laurie John to get player of the year.
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And I dragged myself down there and I just beat me that match, and she became player of the year that year.
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I was ranked number two at that time.
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And then I took time off to open the pool room.
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And then get it going.
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We opened the pool room in July of 88.
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And uh and I gotta, you know, we were never in the never in the red, right from the first day, you know, we were we were in the black.
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And uh, you know, the reason we opened the pool room is Vegas didn't have a decent pool room.
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You know, we opened the pool room because we wanted a place for us to hang around, a decent place for us to hang around, you know.
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And the other pool rooms were, you know, not so nice.
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At some point you uh added your wall of fame.
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How long did that take to get that started?
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Well, I had some, a few pictures.
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Now, by this time I'm rooming with Sherry Stock of Pool and Billion Magazine.
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And so I had, you know, a few pictures, you know, that I wanted to put on the walls, but I remember at that tournament in Philadelphia at the uh Boulevard Athletic Club was the name of the place.
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Upstairs they had a pool room.
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And Mike Fusco, the owner, no relation to to Jimmy and them, Jimmy and Petey.
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But the walls were filled with photos.
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Most of them were Polaroid photos or snapshots, and he had pictures of Marcone from when Moscone was a kid and Jimmy Karas, and I remember, and just hundreds of pictures.
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And I remember every time I would go, I would just look at the pictures, and you know, because I started going down there on the weekends because they were open 24-7.
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So when Mike found out that I was going back and forth to New Jersey, you know, it was a two-hour drive to get home, he gave me a key to his house and said, Stay in my guest rooms, you know, so you don't have to run back and forth.
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So now I'm down there, you know, from Friday night when I got off work till Monday morning when I was going driving back to work from the pool room.
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So I would get down there and just look at the pictures, and sometimes Mike would be slow and he'd tell me stories behind the pictures.
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And after I beat Gene, I went down to the back to the pool room.
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And Mike says, Mary, Mary, he says, uh, I got a few new pictures up over there.
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They're over there on the wall somewhere.
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I said, Oh, okay.
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And I walked over there, and so I'm looking at the pictures, and I see a picture of me, and I had taken my stick and held it straight up in the air after I beat Gene.
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And uh I always wonder what happened to that picture.
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I had made the wall with, you know, Moscone and you know, all the great players.
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I was so excited.
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So I always thought to myself, if I ever had a pool room, that I put everybody's pictures on the wall, right?
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So now I have a pool room, so I took the few pictures that I had and I put them up, but I asked Sherry, I said, Sherry, I says, Do you have any pictures that I can have?
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You know, because she had the magazine, you know.
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And and she says, Sally, yeah.
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She says, uh, she says, we have a tournament in Chicago next month.
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She says, stay an extra day or two, you can stay at my house.
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And he says, we'll go over to the office and you can she's I got file cabinets full of them.
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I said, really?
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I says, yeah, she says, you can take whatever you want.
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So anyway, so we go to her office.
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She was right, she had file cabinets full of pictures.
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They were just dumped in there.
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I mean, just not in files, you know, just dumped in these file cabinets.
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I picked out a few hundred of the photos that I wanted.
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And I said, She told me, take whatever you want.
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By the time I got them all up on the walls, there was around 300 of them.
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And it became famous.
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Because, you know, players would come from all over the world.
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Because at that time, now Vegas was starting to have tournaments, you know, two, three times a year.
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So players from all over big tournaments, so players from all over the world would come.
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And there were only really two pool rooms that they would go to, the Q Club and my place.
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And and I remember Paul Gurney walking around looking at finally he comes to the counter.
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And so, you know, it would take you a couple hours to walk around and look at them all, you know, because some of them were snapshots.
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And he comes, he says, he says, How come you don't have a picture of me on the wall?
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And I looked at him, I says, because I don't have one.
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I said, Send me one, I'll put you up.
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He said, Oh, okay.
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Meanwhile, he fed X me one the next day.
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Overnight.
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Yeah, you overnight in me one.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, love you fall.
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That's cute.
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Yeah.
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And another time Jean Pelucas's mother came in and I looked at her.
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And in my pool room, we had two sides to it.
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One side was candy tables.
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They're all nine-footers, candy tables with monstrous pockets.
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I got them from Laurie John's parents.
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They were uh candy dealers.
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And then on the other side of the room, I had an I had an elevated bar area.
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And if you weren't a 21, you weren't allowed up there because you know, we sold beer and wine.
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And we had the machines up there too.
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Swap poker machines.
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So you weren't allowed up there if you were not 21.
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You had the bar on one side, and then the other side was a was a shelf, you know, table height shelf, with chairs pushed up underneath it, and you could sit there and you could look down into the players' area, and you know, we had tight go crayons on that side.
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So that was the action side of the pool room.
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And so I'm down there hitting balls with Monk one one day, and uh and I you know the door opens, and I saw this older woman walk in, and I thought to myself, she looks familiar, you know.
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So she walks around, and you know, I see her looking at the pictures, and you know, but you know, I forgot about her, and then she finally ends up over by my table, and she's still up on the platform, and then I realized who she was.
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It was Jean's mother, Jean Beluchas' mother.
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And I said, Oh, hi, I said, How are you?
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I said, I thought you looked familiar.
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She says, Yes, hi Mary, how are you?
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And so we made some small talk.
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She says, Do you have any pictures of Jean on the wall?
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I said, Of course I do.
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And so I had I had a few of her on the wall.
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And so, and I knew about where they were, you know, because I had them in different spots.
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So I took her around and showed her the pictures and I took a picture of her in front of one of her pictures of her daughter.
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And you know, one of the one of the things that I regret is that so many players came through the doors of that pool room, and I was so stupid.
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I never, I hardly ever took any pictures of me with them.
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And I knew I knew all the old timers, you know, Fats and Lassiter, and you know, and I was friendly with all of them.
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Willie Moscone used to seek me out and he'd sidle up to me, you know.
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He wasn't very big, you know, and he'd sidle up.
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He'd uh say, Mary, he says, You want to share a bottle of wine with me after the tournament's over?
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I said, sure.
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He loved to drink.
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I didn't drink, you know.
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I'd sit there and nurse my my uh wine glass all night, he'd polish off the bottle.
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But we'd sit in the bar all night.
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But you know, and people would come by, some would sit down for a few minutes, you know, and I loved it.
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Because, you know, uh, and I got him to tell stories, and I asked him once, who was the best player, excluding yourself.
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Who was the best player you ever saw?
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And he answered, including myself.
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He says, No contest, Ralph Greenleaf.
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I said, Really?
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He says, Yeah, he says, When he was sober, he says, even when he was drunk, he was better than the rest of us.
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I said, Wow.
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You know, he died young.
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I think he was 50 when he died.
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He had a little Keith McCready arm action too, didn't he?
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He was a sidewinder.
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Yeah, probably because he started when he was young.
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Because, you know, today they put him on boxes.
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In fact, Lori John, you know, she started when she was young, but her father had built a riser around the table that went so that she didn't have she could swing her arm normally.
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You talk about Moscone mentioning Ralph Greenleaf.
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It's just a a reminder to all of us that uh, you know, we all think we were we know who the greatest is because that's who we witnessed as the greatest.
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But long before they came along, there were a hell of a lot of fine players.
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Well, an example of this is I just saw online onepocket.org is is have voting for who who gets in the hall there, one pocket hall of fame this year.
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And they had half a dozen people, and and they had Irvine, Johnny Irvellino, and anyway, two other players.
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I can't remember, but old timers, and then the other three or four were current players, one of them was Tony Chohan.
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And the majority of the votes, three out of 75% of the votes were for Tony.
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And it's just like you're saying most of these players, I mean Johnny Irvellino is a great player.
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Uh he used to play in my pool room six months a year, you know, and and then, you know, when it was warm and then when it got when well actually when it was cold back east, he would come to Vegas and play in my pool room.
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He was a great player.
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Even at his at in his in his old age.
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I mean, uh nobody would play him, even.
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Nobody.
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And uh it's a shame, isn't it?
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It gets lost.
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So I voted for Johnny because I knew him and I knew how good he played, but everybody else, you know, they don't know who uh these players are, they're just names.
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Even if they heard him, they never saw him play, but they see Tony play.
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Yeah, yeah, and there's no record of their video, you know, not enough.
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Uh-uh.
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No, the like you're saying about being photographed.
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It was not as easy to photograph either.
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Now it's easy to do it selfie.
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Well, in those days, nobody wanted their picture taken.
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Well, Mark will tell you, nobody wanted their picture taken in those days because it killed your action.
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In fact, in fact, a couple of years ago at Derby City Classic, I ran into Patchyeye, who I had known, an old black player, who I knew from Philadelphia.
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Jimmy Fuscoe introduced me to him years ago.
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I'm talking about the mid-70s.
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And I saw Patch, and I hadn't seen him in such a long time.
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So we sat down and talked.
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And I asked him, I says, Do you mind if I take a picture of you?
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And he looked at me.
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He says, Well, he says, I tell most people no, he says, but you can.
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He says, but don't let anybody see it until after I die.
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Because he was still out there, even though everybody knew him.
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He was still sneaking up on people.
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You know?
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Oh my.
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After he passed away, when I did a write-up for him, I posted the pictures that I had taken of him.
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Well, Mary, you know, with Qtopia and your Wall of Fame, of course you started something, you realize that.
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And uh the story comes full circle with what you've been doing the last few years, which we will come to, but why don't we finish some of your other playing career and and road stories?
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Talk about the decision you made of ultimately to sort of hang it up from competitive pool, and then we'll get everybody sort of current to uh current day Mary.
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And and I'm really anxious to talk to you about your archivist role that you've taken on with the with the pool picks.
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But so let's go let let's go back.
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Uh Qtopia, of course, opens in 88.
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You mentioned it was open for quite a while, always in the black, which is good.
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But you were still playing competitively.
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As a matter of fact, in 1989, you won the Brunswick World Open Nine Ball Championship.
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I hadn't played in any tournaments.
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I I I stopped playing in March of '88.
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I played in one tournament.
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I played in Vegas.
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Steve Tipton called me up.
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And he says, uh, you know, because it was invitational.
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It was only 16 players and took the top 60, and I could play in it.
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So I says, yeah, all right, I'll play in it.
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But then that was the only tournament I played in in 1988 after I opened the pool room.
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And then the following year he calls me up again.
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I'm still in the top eight.
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You know, it finally dropped down to number eight.
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And he says, you know, you're still in if you want to play.
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And I says, Ah, because I hadn't been playing, I've been working, you know.
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He he talked me into it, and I ended up winning it.
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And then the following month they had a tournament in Phoenix in Scottsdale, and I won that one.
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That was the McDermott Masters.
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The McDermott Masters.
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So anyway, I was back.
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And then uh and then it was weird.
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I just I never, even though I it just was hard to well, Ali could tell you this, it's hard to to maintain your focus, you know, from one tournament to the next, you know.
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It's uh Yeah.
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Uh, you know, and and and by this time, my focus was not totally pool.
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And I think that I won those two tournaments mostly because I had, you know, hometown crowds pulling for me.
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You know, whereas when I went to some of the other tournaments, you know, it just and I and I my my life was just not focused on tournament pull like it used to be.
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And and then and then I got pregnant in '93.
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I did play in one tournament in 1991.
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It was the last call of nine ball, last call for nine ball.
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And it was run by Jack Johnston, who ran the ones that they had in the mid-80s.
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In in Vegas.
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He was living in Vegas now.
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He was running one of the casinos there, uh, The Sands.
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And so he talked the Adelsons into running a tournament.
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But he wanted to try out a format that he'd been thinking about for a long time.
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And the format, it was nine ball, but the format was if you miss, you get your opponent gets a ball in hand.
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And uh anyway, so I was the only girl that entered.
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And uh there was like 188 people in the tournament or something like that.
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I'm doing pretty good in the tournament, and then I finally lost, lost in Walter Glass in 9-8.
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So I went to the loser side.
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My next match was Francisco Galindo, and he was a lot of people don't know of him, but he was one of the top Mexican players in LA.
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He just didn't travel a lot.
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I mean, he played as good as Ernesto and Moro, and you know, if not better.
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He missed the nine ball, his case nine ball.
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And so I kept ball on hand and I made the nine, and I think the score was now it was like it was supposed to be eight.
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No, you're supposed to win nine six.
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So now it's eight, seven.
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And I had a combination on in the next game, early combination, like a three-nine or something.
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I made that, so now it's eight eight.
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And Dennis Hatch is walking by and he hollers at me, go Mary, go, Mary.
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You know, so you know, I'm like all excited, yeah.
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Well, I'm trying, you know.
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So anyway, I end up winning the next match, and I knock Francisco out of the tournament.
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And then next game, I win the match, and Dennis is, you know, he's oh, that a girl, is that a girl?
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Good.
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So I go to the board to see who my see when my next match is, and it's Dennis Hatch.
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So I looked at him, I says, You, you little, you know, I won't say what I call him.
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I said, you know, and uh what are you calling?
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So he laughed, right?
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So anyway, I said I'm gonna beat you too.
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But anyway, and I did.