Mike Sigel - (Mike Sigel’s Billion-Dollar Vision: Inside the Rise of America’s Billiard League)

Mike Gonzalez 0:15

So, Mike, one thing I know you're anxious to talk about, and we're anxious to hear about, and that's your new pool league venture called America's Billiard League. So tell our listeners all about that.

Mike Sigel 0:25

Yes, I'm very excited. I mean, I worked on this project for 13 years. It took me six years to eventually find someone in 2019, maybe seven years, to put up the money, the kind of money I needed, right? So I met these group of guys to put up the money. We we built up, you know, a good base of players, all that. And we we ran it, everything looked good, all that. Everyone paid out huge prize money, the biggest prize money ever. 100,000 first prize, 42nd, everybody made money, it was really good, and then COVID hit. And after that, you know, a couple of years of that, then I forgot about it. You know, the investors, you know, it's a lot of work. People have no idea how much work and time and energy you have to put into doing something like this, okay? But anyway, then you know, some guy contacted me, heard about it, and restarted it again. So, you know, we're excited. I'm trying to do in pool something to offer amateurs. Now, later on, it'll be pros to once we build up serious money. But in the beginning, the masses is where you can accumulate the money. And amateurs, I'm trying to give away as a pool player, you know, because pool players have not been treated that good in professional or amateur pool throughout my entire career, over 50 years. So I'm trying to put a lot of money into players' pockets, and I developed a handicap system, in my opinion, that is fair for all players, where weaker players can definitely beat a better player. So I feel that we have the best system, can't be manipulated, even though guys think they can, but we already did the algorithm and looked at all the data from when I did it before. So we have a great system. We're offering the largest prize money, and and we're and we also have the most the best app out there. Because the guy that developed one of the other league apps, he developed ours, but ours is is much higher than than that one. So the app pretty much does everything. The players it does the handicaps, does all the financials, it picks who plays who, it changed, it does all that stuff. So it's pretty dummy proof. You come in, you know who you're playing, you know what teams are playing, you know who you're playing, you know what your handicap is. You just play and keep score of who wins the the matches. You know, and we're starting out playing eight ball first. Later on, we'll do eight bowl and nine bowl, but right now eight bowl is our main, that's the most common game played worldwide, even though nine bowls on TV. You know, if you go to a bar or something, you ever ask just that I'm not talking pool people, just ask any person out there that plays pool or has played pool. I go, you ever shoot a game of pool? Yeah, what did you play? Eight ball, you know. So I'm not all in the beginning, we're going after pool people because that's like the you know, the low fruit. But I'm trying to hit a totally different market that's been unobtainable up till now. That's those 30, 40 million people that play pool, that know nothing about tournaments, nothing about leagues, because my system and the money we're giving away will eventually attract these people into our league because you don't have to be. The problem in leagues today is people I've talked to, they're intimidated because when the league players come in, they got their big case, you know, they got the jump handle, they got the glove, they got the bridges, you know, they got the multiple shafts and the the language, you know, they all talk like they can beat me and Allison instantly. I mean, it's all this. It's very intimidating because I've talked to a lot of people. How come you don't play in a league? Oh, I don't play good enough playing a league. I go, trust me, you play good enough. So eventually we're gonna stream it, but eventually I'm gonna put this on television. Amateur players playing for huge prize money. So, you know, we're happy. We have almost 90 locations. We launch in two months, and we're happy with how many teams we're gonna start with and all that. Looks very promising. We work in the first go-around, we're doing four sessions with a minimum of 25,000 first prize each session, which is the grand finale for the other leagues. So we're giving that away every session. Then our grand finale is 100,000 first, but more than likely 250. 250 is I feel is the amount that's going to be the head terminal. Because we gave away 100,000. It was okay, but 250, then the following year, 500,000 or higher than a million. Once we hit a million, I feel then we'll have this on television, even if we have to buy the airtime ourselves. This I'm following the same rule as poker. And poker, the two reasons why poker is so big. One, anyone can win. Two, the large prize money. And that's it. So, anyway, we're like I said, we launched the 5th of January. Players can play in any sessions they want, and the website is ablplayers.com. That website gives you all the information. You can sign up as like a captain, a room owner, an area manager, or a player. And I think that's about it. But we're very excited. Yeah, I I mean, you know, it's it's I'm working, I can't, I don't even want to hint at what I'm working on right now. And half the reason I'm going, uh I'm trying to- We already have. You just did.

Allison Fisher 6:40

That was a slight that's a little teaser.

Mike Sigel 6:43

The deal, the deal I'm working on right now, there's two or three possibilities that we might be playing for a million-dollar first prize in the first grand finale. Yeah. So I'm working on something that's gonna be so if I can put this together, which will look really good, this will be the biggest thing for professionals, too. Because I want to go into the I want to pay the professionals the same thing Barry Hearns did. He took the top so many players, paid them. I don't care if we got to buy them out of their existing contracts, pay them real money, and that's gonna enhance our league. You know, we're not letting it, we're gonna do our own cues and cases and tip tools and gloves, and we're gonna market all that just like NASCAR. When you go to a NASCAR event, they got like five, six, seven, eight different areas with all the clothing and all that, but it's all the same people. So that's what we're gonna do. We're gonna market all that ourselves. But anyway, I want to do something with the pros too. You know, an event like they each get 50,000 just to show up, 250,000 first place, and they can do whatever they want with the money, that kind of a thing.

Mike Gonzalez 7:58

Well, for the amateur, for the big TV match, I'd mic them up and I'd give them little earpieces and have a have a guest pro give give tips and advice on every shot into their ears while they're while they're playing, right? So Allison Fisher is coaching me through every play in that nine-ball game.

Mike Sigel 8:22

Yeah, you're not gonna shoot that. No, I have some. What I'm gonna do is this before they go on TV and hopefully it's live, I'm gonna put so much pressure on the players that they won't make two in a row. That's what I want. I want them to miss everything they shoot at, and everybody watching going, oh my God, we played better than that team. So, anyway, that and I think we're gonna accomplish all that in less than seven years. You know, but if I put this deal together, I'm gonna find out tomorrow how it looks, and I think it looks really good. This is gonna be something that's never even been dreamt of in pool. I mean, instantaneously, monies from you can't imagine the kind of monies we're talking. Yeah. And that and that website again is it's ablplayers.com.

Mike Gonzalez 9:12

Now we'll we probably heard this a few times, Mark, at the international, don't you think?

Mike Sigel 9:16

Oh, yeah, a few times.

Mike Gonzalez 9:17

American Billiard League.

Mike Sigel 9:19

We got commercials running. Yeah, forget the other one. That that that that's history. Remember what Mark and I were doing the the that one? That's not it. No, but anyway, no, I mean, I what I want this to become, I thought about this for a long time, 30 years. What I want this to be is like Brunswick. They started with a pool table, and now Brunswick is a multi-billion dollar corporation. That's where I want this league, America's Billiard League, after I'm gone, to have that legacy of that. You know, that that's what I want my real legacy to be is some huge company that changed the face of pool. Yeah you know, and and it's close. We I can do it. You know, it's flow, believe me.

Mike Gonzalez 10:05

You've you've brought up a lot of stuff that we could you could we break this down a little finer for our listeners that are interested in the intricacies of this league. You talk about the economics, the handicaps, the systems required to do this, the structure you got to put in place, how it, how you differentiate yourself from your other competition, the demographics, your target players, all that stuff. Let's just start with economics. From the money guy's perspective, what's in it for them as they look at this investment, why where does the return come from for them?

Mike Sigel 10:36

Well, I mean, the the money comes from the players. I mean, people don't realize how much money is in pool leagues in this country today. A lot of money. Okay, so I showed the investors, it's a group. Well, it's one main guy with two other guys. I showed them everything. You know, I have a portfolio, everything is is proven. I showed them what the possibilities are. We have this many teams, that many teams. Here's what we bring in. Here's what it costs to run. You know, I have all the stuff, you know. I traveled around the country and spent 125,000 of my own money in the early years just trying to raise the money. So that's how devoted. Then the the the first guy that I got to do it with, they lived in Palm Beach. I ran into guys like that. And the guy goes, Well, what skin in the game do you have? That's one of the first questions they asked me. And I explained it to them. But it looks so good on paper, it's a no-brainer. So I'm here's the difference. When you go to people with huge money, if I went to Donald Trump and he wasn't president, and I said, Look, I need $25 million. A guy like that, that's not case money, he looks at it like, well, if it goes, I make money. If it doesn't, I write it off. It's meaningless. Guys, the well, that's the people that I'm with, this kind of people. They're not worried. Well, what if it, you know, well, what if we only get, you know, well, you know, I don't want to lose. Uh there's nothing like that. They can't miss. That's why wealthy paid people make money. Because either it's a home run, they make money, or they write it off and pay less than income tax. That's it. If you can run into those people, it's a no-brainer. Convincing them of a pool that they know nothing about, that's the trick.

Allison Fisher 12:30

Yeah.

Mike Sigel 12:30

If I approach them and said, I've got this new medical device, I need $300 million, you get in a week. No problem.

Mike Gonzalez 12:39

So the prospectus, the the investment uh thesis or prospectus, uh, did you put that together then yourself, or did you have some outside experts uh come in?

Mike Sigel 12:47

Well, yeah, of course, I had help with designing it the you know through Kevin, helped me a lot in putting it together and you know, the right way to talk to the right people. And so if you go up to people like that and say I need a million dollars, like if you go to a bank and try and borrow $25,000 for a car loan, good luck. If you go to a bank and say I need to borrow $250 million, they're all ears. The more he asks for, they're all ears because they make a lot of money on that loan.

Mike Gonzalez 13:20

How did you get these guys over the hurdle as far as the pool and better understanding that type of investment?

Mike Sigel 13:25

It wasn't a with this particular group, it was they started playing pool, they like it, they heard what I had done. It was 10 minute, 10 minute. I met the guy, go here, take a look at this. I'm leaving town tomorrow. I met the guys at nine in the morning. At 9:30, we had a deal and a great deal for both of us. Yeah. It's a no-brainer. If you looked at this on paper, the potential, the upside is unbelievable, and the downside is minimal. That's it's a a lot of people, you know, you have different ways to invest. You have risk investment, the more you risk, the more you make. Then you have your steady investments. You know, if you do any any kind of thing, go to a go to a financial advisor, they'll look at how old you are and they'll tell you where to put your money.

Mike Gonzalez 14:17

Yeah, sure.

Mike Sigel 14:17

So a lot, you make a you know, a big return on something that's a little risky, but in my opinion, it's not risky. It's mine, it's a matter of time. It's gonna work. It's only a matter, does it take a year, five years, ten years?

Allison Fisher 14:32

Yeah.

Mike Sigel 14:32

Where, but there's no, it's gonna fail. It can't fail. It's impossible.

Mike Gonzalez 14:37

I think you mentioned you're starting with about 90 locations, is that right?

Mike Sigel 14:40

So far, yeah. Around the country.

Mike Gonzalez 14:43

Those all involve, you know, what you might consider a league operator. I think you're calling them area managers. Talk us a little bit through that process of early on and and more recently, how you've sort of refined your process for identifying the right people for those.

Mike Sigel 14:57

Well, we have only a select area managers, a few people. We have actually one, two, three, four, five, five area managers. The rest are single individual. I call, we have people call, tell the pool room about it. They want to get on board. Like I said, it runs itself. They have to naturally get the teams. They're in the pool room. They tell people, like guys like Phil Wyndham, they know everybody. Hey, this looks good. They get the group of people, they have to have a minimum of four teams to start. You know, I'm not crazy about four teams because one could drop out, and then you have three teams with a buy. But in the beginning, you're kind of stuck. I can't expect them to get eight teams. But right now, the way it is, I designed it the way that we pick the playoff people. It does not matter where you finish. So if I had hypothetically 500 teams in the whole United States, instead of playing in a tournament or in leagues, only the top tier wins like in a tournament. The guys that finish in the top eight or 10 win the most money, everybody else goes home broke. The way I designed it was this we take, let's say we had 500 teams. You take a group of 100, the top group, I take a percentage of that group, then I take a percentage of the next hundred, then a percentage of the next hundred, the next hundred, and the last hundred. So, regardless where you finish, you have a chance to qualify to go to playoffs to win the big prize money. Ingenious. Because I learned that from the other league. Because we had teams drop out, they get behind, they feel like they don't have a chance, and they drop out. This way, no one's gonna drop out, or it's much better.

Mike Gonzalez 16:51

Yeah, you maintain their interest to the end.

Mike Sigel 16:54

Yeah, no, the the league, uh, you know, the the so we just had a company buy the whole state of California. The whole state of California is gone under this group of guys. So, you know, something that just popped up, and they ain't even started yet. They're starting next week, too. But they're they have leagues that, you know, I'm getting a lot of guys that are running other leagues that are now bringing their players into our league because people are sick of the other leagues, they're tired of it, they've been around a long time, you don't get any benefit, and they've just been around a long time. The timing for our league is ten times better than it was when I did it before. So people are looking for something different.

Mike Gonzalez 17:42

Yeah, speaking of different, then give give some specifics for our listeners of differentiators between the America's Billiard League and let's say APA or U.S. uh pool league or something like that.

Mike Sigel 17:54

Well, our system is much better where a weaker player like an APA, a two or a three, could never beat a top player. They slaughter those guys, they send them out. Plus, you need a specific number to be a team. So what happens is let's say you had your family of five people as a team, one guy gets too good, they have to move him to a different team because they need a certain in our league. Any five players can make a team, and that team will always stay together. The our system is cannot be manipulated. I don't like to use the word sandbag or cheat. I use manipulate. Even though guys think they can, it cannot be manipulated. Once you play this, you'll understand why. And we give away the biggest prize money. So, what I would tell people is get five of your friends, play every week, have fun, and hope you get lucky enough to get in the playoffs to win big prize money. I mean, that that's it. So we're offering, we're not reinventing the wheel. We are offering a better product, is the way I look at it.

Mike Gonzalez 19:06

So the the in terms of handicapping, the APA system, I don't know it that well, but let's say it's two through nine, it it seems fairly subjective. There aren't as many objective measures as it would be with uh the the kind of league I play in where they actually use Fargo ratings and then adjust your matches based on your Fargo rating.

Mike Sigel 19:24

I don't understand the I I don't know how to score APA either. I don't understand it. It's some mathematical thing that some guy came up with, and Terry Bell just I actually owned a piece of the APA, me, Larry Hubbard, and Terry Bell, but it was too early. My career just started, and Larry decided to him and Terry Bell did the APA. But Terry Bell, he got that system from some guy, came up with it, and then Terry Bell just took it to the next level. That's all, that's all it was. But the system, like all these systems, are no good. Here's why. A better player is always going to beat a weaker player. They're smarter, they're better, and they dominate the match too much. Okay. In our system, it's the opposite. A weak, I'm trying to get the group of people that are your really low, because most people that play pool are your lower players, not your better players. Like pool. You got your handful of professionals, then you got everybody else. Amateur pools the same way. So I created something that's fair for all players, fun, and the biggest prize money. I don't, I don't see why you wouldn't play in it.

Mike Gonzalez 20:41

Allison, I've got our I've got our team name picked up. The sub-horribles.

Allison Fisher 20:47

I'm not in that team.

Mike Gonzalez 20:49

Oh, you're not? You're not. Maybe just marking me.

Mike Sigel 20:52

Well, let me let me tell you what happened to Phil Windham's, just to give you an idea. When we it was me, Lori John, Nick Varner, my investors, were we played the final match at Phil Windham's pool room. The hundred thousand, we gave away 350,000 to 16 teams. That's pretty good money, right? Last place, I think, was 10,000. So anyway, in the in the the when I brought the 16 teams to Phil Windham's, now it was team versus team. You had to win three. There's five guys on the team. So you had to win three of the five matches to it to go to advance, right? So here's what happens. It gets down to the last two teams. Now they're playing for the the 100,000 first. They're playing a race to four in April, right? The final match was two two in matches. So each team had won two matches. The final match, whoever wins this match, wins it. The match was a race to four. The match got three three. One game for the hundred thousand first prize. Three in APA versus a nine in APA. The three, the match got three three, and the three won the match versus the nine. That's exciting. That tells you something right there.

Allison Fisher 22:28

Matt, is it the is it the ball in hand?

Mike Sigel 22:31

The ball in hand.

Allison Fisher 22:32

Yeah.

Mike Sigel 22:32

The ball in hand. So here's what happens. It sounds simple. There's more to it. There's a strategy. Plus, weaker players immediately improve because now if they got two, three, or four ball in hands, instead of making one ball, then kind of look around and see what's going on, they start making a game plan because they know they can make three, four, or five balls in a row, right? The weaker you play, the more ball and hands you have to run out. So basically, a good player, Allison, if you're playing someone nine-ball and they're getting six ball and hands a rack, and you start running out and you make a mistake, you're gonna lose. It's just like an eight ball. If you start making balls, commit to run out because the games are faster. You know, pros play eight ball, they break. You when you start trying to run out, you either win or lose. There's no defense. You can't you can't play safe. It's very difficult because the other guy's got all his balls on the table. So a good player that starts running out, if they do not run out, they stub their toe. Instead of the other player making a few missing and letting the player back in, they clear the table. See, so all of a sudden you got a real match. You know, that's kind of the way it works.

Mike Gonzalez 23:48

Yeah, that ball in hand thing, that's a sort of a blend between the a way of handicap, but it's also a rules change you've made then, right? Any other rules differences in eight ball in terms of how you play eight ball in your league?

Mike Sigel 23:58

No, I mean a regular ball in hand, if the guy fouls, you got a regular ball in hand. But so here's what happens. The the I tweaked it a little from last time. The handicap goes minus two to four. So everyone starts as a two because no one has a handicap. I'm not going to look through because we have the rating of Fargo versus APA, BCA, TAF, what they would be in our league. But instead of me saying you're a one, you're a the, we're just everyone starts as a two. Naturally, better players have an advantage. However, the way the point structure is and all that, they don't get way ahead. Then after the handicaps start leveling out after four to six weeks, the points change. And then at the end, they really change. So a team that's way behind in one week, if they happen to get lucky and win like 5-0, they can gain six weeks of points. So the way the points were to be honest with you, it's a crapshoot. It's a crapshoot. It does not matter how you play. I mean, I'll be honest. It's like poker. You play in a poker tournament, you get good hands, you look good. If you get bad hands, you get eliminated. It's it doesn't matter how you play to a degree.

Mike Gonzalez 25:16

Must have been a lot of effort involved in designing the systems, the app that drives all this.

Mike Sigel 25:22

Yeah, of course. Of course, the app, we worked on that for well, he took an app already and then modified it to ours, but it took, I don't know, four months, five months to to develop it, you know, and do all that. I mean, faster than most apps, cost a pretty I didn't want to do an app. The investors go, I go, we can keep score by hand. What if something happens? You know, I don't want to spend all that money on an app, and let's say the thing went in the tank. I mean, it's not gonna, but you know, I'm kinda he goes, No, we need an app. All right. You know, they they paid for it. I mean, my investors bought me a car and a brand new home. So that'll give you an idea what kind of money they're sitting on.

Mike Gonzalez 26:09

There you go.

Allison Fisher 26:10

That was nice of them. That's a good way to start.

Mike Sigel 26:14

Well, I was gonna get an office and pay rent and all that, and the guy, we thought about it. He says, You might as well buy a home for your office in the house. There you go. Thank you very much.

Mike Gonzalez 26:24

There you go. So, again, your launch date is January 5th.

Mike Sigel 26:30

We start, and you know, like I said, we're looking good now, everything looks good. We're gonna keep putting more money. We're gonna put we put more money in the prize money than any league by 50 to one. The more money we generate, the bigger prize money we give out, the more teams we're gonna attract, the more teams we attract, the bigger the prize money. So it's gonna be like a like a uh mouse on one of those wheels. Well, here's this is my goal now. Here, this is recorded for all time, right?

Mike Gonzalez 27:05

There you go. 50 years from now, kids are gonna be listening to it.

Mike Sigel 27:07

No, not 50 years. This is my prediction. Ready? In seven years, our purse will be fifty million dollars, first place 10 million, second, five, and so on. Now that's my prediction. In seven years or less, the purse will be 50 million dollars.

Mike Gonzalez 27:29

Okay, so we're gonna put a timestamp on this because put that on there. Mike mentioned January 5th. We're talking about January 5th, 2026. 2026, January 5th. 20, 2033, we're gonna talk about how much?

Mike Sigel 27:43

$50 million purse, first price $10 million. And you ready for this? Give that away and laugh all the way to the bank. That's how much money people do not realize how much money is in this industry. It's the best kept secret in the world. Well, you know, but you know, here the difference between my league and all the others is I have the right system. Because the other leagues cannot offer big big prize money. The guy told me, well, if you put up $500,000, why wouldn't the other leagues do that? They can't. Because they can cheat or sandbag the system. So when they're playing for $25,000 first prize, everybody laughs, oh, that sandbag or ha ha ha. But if we were giving away a million dollar first prize and $300,000 second, and the winning team, the other team accuse them of cheating because they play much better, what do you think is going to happen? That they go right in the toilet. That's why they could never do it. I'm I'm the only one that can attract the masses of those 30, 40 million people that play pool, but are not pool guys in leagues. And our system will hold up under scrutiny because to play for that kind of money, you you know, remember bowling for dollars? You remember that? Bowling for dollars on TV. The guy was a 150 average, the other guy was like 205. So the guy got 55 pins. The 150 guy shot a 240 game. So they knew right away something's that's where the uh the real sandbagging word came from. So they immediately took it off the air. They saw right away there's something going on. See, well, so you to give away that kind of money, you have to have a system that will not fail. That's part of the reason that I, you know, attracted the money.

Mike Gonzalez 29:38

Yeah. Well, we wish you a lot of luck with this league. And and in particular, I think the attraction uh for some is going to be what it could do on the professional side of the game.

Mike Sigel 29:49

Yes. Well, we're going to throw money at professional players to enhance our league. I want to see, I mean, I'm telling you right now, have events, pick players. I'm not sure, eight players, 16, 4. A lot of guys are kind of under contracts or whatever. I'm not sure. I'd have to look into that down the road. Because what the shame is, is that certain guys are making X, and it's not a lot, to be honest with you. They're making money, but yet they won't allow them to play in other events. If they were getting $5, 10, 20 million, I get it. Okay, like, you know, they offered that baseball player $700 million, and they go, we don't want you playing on this other league. Okay, no problem. But for the money that the players are getting, they don't have, in my opinion, the right to let not, you know, let them make money. You understand? So I may run into that problem.

Mark Wilson 30:42

Yeah.

Mike Sigel 30:42

Maybe, I don't know. But anyway, my idea is to throw big money at the pros, put on the right people on TV, change the way it's played, because the way it is now, it's it's like watching paint dry. Okay. You have to have some, it's like that nude banana baseball. Have you seen that?

Mike Gonzalez 31:02

Oh, yeah, the Savannah bananas.

Mike Sigel 31:04

There you go.

Mike Gonzalez 31:05

That's entertainment.

Mike Sigel 31:07

I always said that, I said this 40 years ago. Why don't they get some rubber racks, triangles, rubber cues, rubber balls? Me and a roller are playing, getting a big argument. I throw the rack at him, hit him over the head with the cue, big argument, you know. Well, people will remember that for a hundred years.

Allison Fisher 31:29

Yeah.

Mike Sigel 31:29

But the way it's played today, it's it's not it's not good. It's just, it's too boring. I mean, you know, when I what I'm when I used to play in tournaments, and if I didn't win the tournament, I wouldn't even watch the final match. If, you know, it's like it's too boring. Let's be realistic. You have to change, I don't know what the change is, but I'm thinking about it to create an entertainment show with pool. Now, you had said something, what I'd like to do is get like team pool, Joe Rogan as the captain, a charity event for prize money, and if Joe Rogan is captain on one team, Captain LA or Texas, whatever it is, have another, you know, celebrity have maybe eight teams with a pro, with an amateur, with a celebrity, you know, uh Scotch doubles, kind of a lot of interactions, you know, that kind of thing. I think that might work, something like that.

Mike Gonzalez 32:30

Yeah, you know, sharking is legal. Maybe you'd have a dedicated professional celebrity sharker on every team.

Mike Sigel 32:38

Well, I don't know if you have to go that far, but make it an entertainment value, you know, because the way it is right now, it just I don't see how that's gonna even the Moscone Cup does not attract big sponsors from outside the industry. Because I went to that, it was unbelievable, you know, like a like a wrestling match, you know what I mean? Yeah, I I you know I went to it last year, but it still does not attract big sponsors.

Allison Fisher 33:06

Yeah, yeah. There's so many people in entertainment who play pool too, aren't there? So many people. The world probably help something like that.

Mike Sigel 33:14

I think if what we would do is put up a big money, maybe get some outside sponsorship, and you know, do like if you win, the either all of it or some goes to charity. Of course, you gotta pay those guys like $25,000 just to appear. You know, they don't do it for they say free, but you know, so you give them for their charity, and then you have a prize fund that when they win, it goes to, you know, their another chair. You know, they don't announce that, but I already know because when Kevin brought in all the celebrities for the IPT when I played Laurie John, he flew them all in from LA in a private jet and had to give them all something, you know, and large to just to bring them in, you know.

Mike Gonzalez 34:03

So for our listeners, that's everything they're gonna want to know about uh the upcoming America's Billiard League, and that website again is ablplayers.com.

Mike Sigel 34:13

ABL Player. That has all the information, ablplayers.com. We're actually giving away a Lamborghini, too, by the way. I don't know if you go to uh to whoever gets so many teams, there's no time frame. So someone will, these guys in California will have a shot at that. You know, once they get build up so many teams in their in their group, you got a giveaway in Lamborghini. It's on the website. You'll see. We he shows you the the car.

Mike Gonzalez 34:42

There you go. If you've ever wanted to play in a league, this is the one, America's Billiard League. Come check it out, January 5th, 2026.

Allison Fisher 34:52

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