Hydred Goldberg - Part 2 (Reinvention, Poolrooms and Finding Her Game)

Mark Wilson 0:13

Was there a moment when you consciously decided this is my life now and then how am I gonna figure it out?

Hydred Goldberg 0:21

Yes. Two, you know, two huge things that happened was learning how to drive, get my driver's license, and driving, because as soon as I learned how to drive, I moved by myself to San Diego. Um and then moving to San Diego. That was one of the best things that I ever did for myself. Um and then that's when I decided to pursue education and I ended up pulling myself into uh city college um and later going to San Diego State University to um uh it was a double major in fine arts and psychology and so I have a degree in uh psychology.

Mark Wilson 1:21

Interesting. What what would attract you to San Diego as opposed to somewhere else?

Hydred Goldberg 1:28

I had been invited to to come and check it out. Um and um I had met my future roommate at uh the George Barnes Tennis Centre because I was I was starting to look at different kinds of sports. At this point I'd um wanted to be more active. Um I didn't know how to swim, so I started I wanted to, you know, I took an adaptive course at the city college and learned how to swim.

Allison Fisher 2:08

That was fantastic. Really embracing it. I mean doing everything you can with what you've got, really.

Hydred Goldberg 2:16

Right. I looked into paragliding um and uh skiing. So I ended up going skiing um in Durango, Colorado. Um and uh bracing in the chair, which is like this interesting bucket style that you plop your bottom in, and then you're just like wheeling, it looks like a giant or long tricycle thing. Um never really took to any of them.

Mike Gonzalez 2:55

You tried them though, you tried it, but you did.

Allison Fisher 2:59

Oh yeah. You're like, yeah, no.

Mike Gonzalez 3:05

Yeah, no, yeah, I can't knock it until I try it. So I'm gonna give it a go. Tick the box, next activity.

Hydred Goldberg 3:16

That's exactly right. That's what I did. Tick the box.

Mike Gonzalez 3:19

So were were you uh in in part making a statement with that move to San Diego, like, okay, look out, world, I'm gonna do this.

Hydred Goldberg 3:29

You know, I don't yeah, yeah. Uh maybe not to anybody else, but to myself. To um I I I don't know it was to prove anything to myself, but to just be happy.

Allison Fisher 3:43

Yeah. Sounds like a bit of a reinvention too, because you had everyone around you, didn't you? And you it sounds like you wanted to get away from all of that and start again.

Hydred Goldberg 3:52

Right. Right. That's yeah, I think that's dead on right then.

Mike Gonzalez 3:56

Yeah. Well, being faced then to to live your life virtually from a seated position, how did that change you? Did you change? Did your personality change? Did how you interact with other people change? You want once you sort of got through the process of accepting this?

Hydred Goldberg 4:15

Uh that's great. Uh I say that because uh some a change that I'm going through right now is I've become a lot more private, believe it or not. I know how to rise to the occasion, um, meet the press, so to speak, you know, I and maybe it's a form of masking or uh a type of way of uh being okay, but I d think I did develop a type of um anxiety. So as friendly as I am, uh I think uh you know I've I've held back quite a bit, but but this time around uh getting into pool full-time, it's it's different because now my role is not just a pool player, it is definitely more of um what I was doing with the abilities expo. Um being in the wheelchair, being an artist. So this I know this is sounding kind of off, but kind of swims. We'll probably roll into that some point.

Mike Gonzalez 5:36

But yeah, well, I know Alison in in her comments earlier, the intro, yeah, used the term ambassador. I'm sure you're finding yourself in that role a lot because you're the world champion at your discipline. And okay, that sets expectations with people, sets expectations of you. And so that just brings a level of responsibility that perhaps you never felt you had necessarily before.

Hydred Goldberg 6:00

Yes. And also profound um it's it's kind of uh purpose, purposeful. Like I I I feel like this is my uh just it's it's where I'm supposed to be. Uh Paul has always been in my life through the years with all the other kind of hobbies and deep interests I've been in. Um and I I've often shelve is what I call it. If I'm not uh doing my artwork or um uh classical guitar, I play classical guitar. I um uh you know doing something else, but I can't do it simultaneously. It's not I I find that I'm definitely more single-tast, better oriented that way, and I feel like I excel a lot deeper, faster, and with more concentrated uh focus.

Allison Fisher 7:11

So here's a question, and looking back now, what part of rehabilitation prepared you unknownly for competitive pool? Because it kind of leads into that, I think, what you're saying.

Hydred Goldberg 7:24

That's a great question because I I've never really thought of myself as being very competitive. Uh just I'm not very good at sports, as I've kind of treated. That's minor.

Mike Gonzalez 7:41

Right.

Hydred Goldberg 7:42

Um but I did grow up playing chess. Oh, our father uh was ranked in in England, and anywhere we went, there was always a chess board. Um or it always seemed like some sort of ulterior thing to go, and he would go play chess and then we would go shopping or something like that. But um so maybe that's I I can't that's really uh that's a great question.

Allison Fisher 8:14

I'm trying to think how the rehabilitation thing really kind of pulled it together, but I do think um maybe uh the new drive or this new uh, like you said, reinvention of life and living and yeah, grit, discipline, you know, you had to do things a certain way and learn how to do it.

Hydred Goldberg 8:36

I'd say yeah, discipline. I and going through school, because it wasn't uh an easy path, but I I slogged through and I I got through and I got my degree and I felt like okay, I can do it. You can, you know, I've I've got the ability, I've got the capability, um and the drive and and and discipline. Uh but I d I do tend to focus hard. I do a lot of hyper focusing, so I think that's more that as opposed to more of the competitive part, the aesthetics of the game rather than the competition of the game that kind of drew me to pool.

Allison Fisher 9:17

Well, why didn't you take us to the first pool room or pool table where the game really grabbed you? Where were you and who were you with?

Hydred Goldberg 9:25

Oh, okay. So um there was a pool hall in Vallejo once I started getting into it, uh it's called Palace Billiards. And it was owned by Bill Teter. Bill Teter also made uh cues, some very nice cues and um it I remembered it being very large. Um my friend Derek Kerr, he had introduced me to that place there. Um and yeah, I remembered you know, from the front, it it's great, it's bright. Uh maybe twenty or so tables, and I'm saying this now because why I actually had a chat with my friend Derek this morning, early early this morning. Reminiscing. Yeah, we had a little reminiscing and reunion style and um Palace Belades also had a backroom that was accessed. I mean, you could access it still when the front part closed down and everyone would go in the back part of the parking lot to get in. And that was, you know, one of those I think every pool hall has something like that, you know, when when you got a pool hall owned by a pool player, uh, you know.

Allison Fisher 10:57

There's always a back room. Oh, it's a back room.

Hydred Goldberg 11:01

Wake, wake, nudge, nudge. Right. Um so that yeah. And I remembered just being in awe, watching really good plays. I, you know, I was excited about the game. Of course, I want my game to be already over here, but I'd, you know, they the tables in the back, there were about five tables. Uh, Derek and I would play maybe on the first two by the door. Um, and they were shimmedtight, so if you could play on those tables anywhere else with just like little buckets, it's nice.

Mike Gonzalez 11:42

Um What kind of tables were they?

Hydred Goldberg 11:44

I remember playing on those. I think that was.

Mike Gonzalez 11:46

You remember the brand? All Brunswick, uh Gold Crowns?

Hydred Goldberg 11:49

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Gonzalez 11:50

What did the place smell like? Did it serve food, uh alcohol or uh tobacco, or what just would you remember?

Hydred Goldberg 11:56

See, that's the thing. I that's the one thing I can't really recall. Um he had a staff, Tita had a big staff, Bill Tita. So they had to have food, and I can't remember it so much as I would with college billiards in San Diego. Um so for some weird reason I they had spaghetti night over in uh college billions that I could not forget.

Mike Gonzalez 12:21

I loved it, yeah.

Hydred Goldberg 12:23

Um but at Teeter's place, uh yeah, I don't I don't really remember. Um outside the main room was always sort of fresh and clean and bright. In the back, it just seemed a lot more serious and somber. Uh a lot of the more um serious players would go there.

Mike Gonzalez 12:43

Yeah.

Hydred Goldberg 12:44

Um what was the attraction?

Mike Gonzalez 12:49

Other than something you you figured out you could do? What was the attraction?

Hydred Goldberg 12:54

There was a little bit of a nitty-gritty feeling in there. You know, growing up being a good girl, the eldest of sex, responsible, mature, that kind of thing. I, you know, it's maybe I think for me it was like naughty. It was like it was like, you know, because people were still smoking there and I was smoking.

Allison Fisher 13:16

I'm misbehaving sort of way.

Hydred Goldberg 13:19

Yeah, misbehaving. That's much nicer.

Allison Fisher 13:22

Yeah.

Hydred Goldberg 13:23

But yeah, yeah.

Mike Gonzalez 13:25

And that was the attraction to the place or to the sport of pool?

Hydred Goldberg 13:30

All all of it. All of it, yeah. The people, everything. Right. I know this has probably been said or asked of you, Alison, but what was your draw?

Allison Fisher 13:41

Probably the same sort of thing, but I was about 12.

Mike Gonzalez 13:46

It was very, very naughty of you.

Allison Fisher 13:48

Yeah, you've still grown up suddenly. It's like, oh, look at this. I'm in with smoking, drinking, right fireplaces, puffing out with smoke, but it shouldn't be. There's dogs in the room, there's children in the pub in England. So how old were you at this point?

Hydred Goldberg 14:09

This is good. Okay, so I know I've been shooting poor for 30 years now, maybe a little bit more now. No, maybe more like 30 years, but I remember it had to be, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Allison Fisher 14:24

See the coming of age, look at you. Yeah. In the nitty-grinky poor room in this naughty environment.

Hydred Goldberg 14:31

It did. I I mean, I liked I wasn't that good, you know, but I, you know, if I were lucky and I d uh didn't shoot to win, um, it just felt so satisfying, you know. Um later on in private time on the pool table, there was a different type of satisfaction of getting, you know, the ball into the hole where I was just oh, yeah, it was just uh very it's like a dopamine hit.

Mark Wilson 15:04

Yeah I didn't ever did you ever hear of uh palace billiards in San Francisco? It was pretty famous.

Hydred Goldberg 15:12

Palace billiards and no, but family billiards, yeah.

Mark Wilson 15:16

Okay, yeah, so you were too young. But anyway, it was that was even before my time. So dinosaurs had just gone extinct, but anyway. There was a famous money player there named Filipino Jean, and it it was uh Cochrane's, and he was a famous, famous player, you know, back in the century or 1900s. So but it was interesting. Yeah. So I didn't know if that had any relation to that name for the pool room. As a as a question for you, did you immediately see pool as a game you could play from a wheelchair, or did you initially wonder whether it was even possible?

Hydred Goldberg 15:54

Uh it was uh it was definitely possible, and it was mostly meditative, you know. Because when when I would get on that table and just hit balls, it was it was just nice. I didn't need to play with anybody. Um and maybe it was just more the f physics, not knowing really the physics, but or just the arty part, the aesthetics of how the ball moves. Uh I really, really like that, you know.

Mike Gonzalez 16:24

Yeah.

Allison Fisher 16:24

Yeah, d yeah. Did anyone understand playing from a wheelchair at that point? What did you have a coach or were you largely inventing the solutions for yourself?

Hydred Goldberg 16:35

Yes, uh the the latter, because it was mostly experimental.

Allison Fisher 16:39

Right.

Hydred Goldberg 16:40

Um, you know, seeing what I would do if I, you know, veered away from center of the ball to, you know, and there's there's a point where you learn how to draw, and then that's all you're doing is drawing.

Mike Gonzalez 16:54

Yeah.

Hydred Goldberg 16:55

Um but I did take on some very I have shots that I just love to do. I don't know about you guys, but is there one of them actually?

Allison Fisher 17:06

The draw shot is one of them, yeah. Something about drawings, yeah.

Hydred Goldberg 17:08

Yeah, I love following.

Mike Gonzalez 17:11

Yeah.

Allison Fisher 17:11

Oh no, but she's a topspin player, Mark. Maximum topspin. Mark are you are you following?

Mark Wilson 17:20

No, I but most people shy away from it because it's used so much less than center ball or low. So most people are not accomplished at the topspin, even though it's not harder, it's just a different discipline.

Allison Fisher 17:30

We were teaching this weekend, that's why we brought it up. He was we were demonstrating maximum topspin. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Mike Gonzalez 17:38

Effective top follow.

Allison Fisher 17:40

Effective follow, yeah. Effective follow. That's right. Do you remember the first shot? What was your first shot? Do you remember that? A first run of balls when you thought I might actually be good at this. When did that happen? Oh gosh.

Hydred Goldberg 17:56

No, I don't I don't remember. I think uh there were no real practice uh things that I followed early. It was all throwing the balls on the table, all 15, and uh just hitting them. But rail shots is something that I often start off with in warming up. Um and uh yeah.

Mike Gonzalez 18:28

How how creative were you at the adaptive part of the game? You know, get in your chair ideally situated for you to be as good as you can, and and what sort of gizmos you might need, like a special type of bridge or collapsible bridge or other things that either you had then or maybe they're inventing now that just make the game easier.

Hydred Goldberg 18:49

I tell you, I think it's like a lifelong pursuit. Um I have changed the, you know, I've configured my chair, or you know, I've had a couple chairs through the years, um, everything from different types of padding, towels, books, to kind of lift me up, but then also to realize what my limitations are because I have spinal cord injury that uh leaves me with a weakened uh abdominal strength. So which means if I'm too high, then I'm leaning on my bridge hand, which gasses me out.

Allison Fisher 19:24

Yeah.

Hydred Goldberg 19:25

Um, and then on top of that, uh, you know, I have often aured around the table with my cue stick, grabbed the rail and moved around the table. So the the use of tools um is forever changing uh and just just to to be more effective, uh extensions are a must. Uh I think for me a telescopic bridge is a must. What's interesting is Henrik doesn't have uh a bridge. There was this very special bridge that uh Lance Kepler had made. He was part of the National Wheelchair Pool Players Association, he'd uh one of the participants, and he made this. It was like an eight-foot-long telescopic bridge, and there were only a small number of them that were sold. Today, new up-and-coming wheelchair players are asking about this. The only things that uh I've been able to procure or find online uh are at the most maybe four and a half feet. Um there are people right now, and I can't really say who exactly, but there are people who are saying they're trying to reinvent that same type of um bridge that we have because there's also some strange hydraulic system that does not uh it's just very sophisticated. But Lance uh had died with that secret and his manufacturing crew, so we don't we don't know how how he did it, you know. Um, but that's definitely something that uh I've used everything from a moose head to now I'm using like a kamoe clear head to see through. Um but I'm wanting always to simplify uh the gadgets that I have because a lot of it is it you know takes time. Um and I I do switch out extensions if I'm doing a bridge shot. Sometimes I'll take off my little uh three-inch extension just because it's added weight and it's like I've got turbo speed on. And so you know I have to remove it because there is quite a bit of um weight on it. Yeah.

Mike Gonzalez 21:50

Yeah. Yeah. I would think there's probably occasion when you turn up for an event and you look over at another table and say, wait a minute, what's that?

Hydred Goldberg 22:04

Yes. That's what I love about other wheelie pool players too. Is some of the inventions they make as well. Like um there's one for Andrew Blood. He has uh I think he made it, I don't know if it's out of plexi glass, but it's quite large, but it's it's quite light too, so it can't be plexi. Um and he uses that in in a uh I think you can also jump with it too. But there are so many gadgets out there, I'm sure you've seen them as well. Bridgemate between you and Mark. Yeah. Yeah, Bridgemate is one of them too.

Allison Fisher 22:48

Now I'm surprised as an artist you haven't created something. Ah artistic abilities, knowledge of the game together, and come up with something. I'm still trying to make the ball go in the hole.

Hydred Goldberg 23:06

That will be lifelong. I think I honestly that's just what I'm working on is just credibility in my game as well.

Mike Gonzalez 23:17

Yeah.

Hydred Goldberg 23:17

Yeah.

Allison Fisher 23:18

Which leads to the next question, actually. Was there a player who took you seriously before other people did? Is there somebody who thought, yeah, you've really got great ability here?

Hydred Goldberg 23:29

Wow, you know, um I remembered receiving a wonderful uh compliment. It was Laurie John Jones, who was uh in at the WPBA event. It was aired on the SPN at Viehus Casino. I think you were there too. I probably you most likely were. Yes and it was in the early 2000s, yeah. That was my I that was my first event, and I remembered playing Stacy Hurst on the losers side. Um, and I remembered breaking so hard, I I was so nervous. I broke so hard that I I most likely sprained or or did something to, you know, my wrist on the side of the table, but I continued on because of the adrenaline, you know, this you just numbed out. Uh we went hill hill, and I do remember a time where I heard some plastic cups toppling over, and in my mind I I felt like she did this on purpose.

Mike Gonzalez 24:37

But you know what?

Hydred Goldberg 24:42

Yeah, such a brain goes through, yeah. Um, but today it's it's yeah, it was that was a uh definitely an amazing, a scary moment.

Allison Fisher 24:53

Oh yeah. That was a great tournament there. I loved to go in there, it was wonderful. Yeah. Really nice. Yeah, we did that a few several years in a row, I think, didn't we? Right. That would that would have been the first time I met you, I think. I think it was, yeah.

Hydred Goldberg 25:09

Yeah, and I think um I I I'm not sure. In my brain, I'm thinking that it was because um I I also did makeup then. You know, I was uh uh you know doing makeup and doing some competitions in between, doing qualifiers. Um and that's when I did your makeup.

Mike Gonzalez 25:35

Do you remember?

Allison Fisher 25:37

Oh, I so I see you you made me look wonderful then.

Hydred Goldberg 25:41

It's you. I did gorgeous uh Ava's makeup and um Karen's Yeah, behind the scenes at the WPB the finals day. Right, right. Oh that was uh so cool.

Allison Fisher 26:00

Yeah.

Mike Gonzalez 26:02

You got the royal treatment back then, didn't you?

Allison Fisher 26:04

Yeah, we did. We yeah, back then, back in the day. Yes, we didn't.

Hydred Goldberg 26:08

Very oh, it was wasn't it something else with ESPN and just uh the theory very professional.

Allison Fisher 26:18

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Mike Gonzalez 26:19

Yeah, yeah. Well, we're getting into a time then when when when you were starting to take the game seriously, right? So this is 2000, 2001, you start playing these WPBA qualifiers. But before we leave this, you mentioned the the the makeup thing. So tell us a little bit about that aspect of your life and career. What kind of things were you doing? What kind of things were you not doing, and and why did you start it? And then why did you sort of say, okay, uh, we'll move on to something else.

Hydred Goldberg 26:46

Yeah, my uh uh artistic endeavors, I have tried every medium you can imagine with uh with art, with uh with fine art, like oils, acrylics, watercolour, everything from casing to um gouache. Uh uh so I think it was just an extension of uh my artistic side now working from uh two-dimensional area to more three-dimensional on the face. So strangely in makeup what you were doing is looking more for symmetry, where in you know artwork it it it can be anything goes. But also when it came to makeup, uh anything goes uh with more of the creative aspect, which is like special effects. I worked with um prosthetic pieces, um different kind of chemicals and materials, latex, rigid colloidian. These are things to create things like from scars to uh uh I don't know, any anything you can imagine. So I I did uh I worked with uh a group of young women who are professional cosplayers. And a cosplayer is um they're often mostly related to uh comic book conventions. So it's wildly uh artistic in that sense too. And so a lot of these cosplayers were like editor for game magazine and you know, so they there were also professionals on the side as dressing up as characters too. But in that I learned the history of their characters. That that's another thing that I loved uh about it and just digging deeply into um that world.

Mike Gonzalez 28:51

Yeah, I've seen like San Diego Comic Con uh in your credits.

Hydred Goldberg 28:54

That's right.

Mike Gonzalez 28:56

Oh yeah. You do see some wild, wild uh super wild.

Hydred Goldberg 29:01

Oh yeah, yeah. Very creative.

Mike Gonzalez 29:04

Uh so what did you have to use with Ally?

Hydred Goldberg 29:07

World.

Mike Gonzalez 29:08

Which of your tools did you have to use with Allie?

Allison Fisher 29:11

Thank you.

Mike Gonzalez 29:12

Other than just the standard stuff, you know.

Allison Fisher 29:15

Plasticast, I think it was. Plasticast. A trowel was involved. I think a trowel was involved.

Hydred Goldberg 29:24

Well, you see, a lot of the creativity does come in that way. I had a a dentist who came in, he had cast for his teeth, and he wanted to be uh I don't know if you guys remember the Geico caveman in advertisements with where you know he's got this sort of uh furrowed brow, like very prominent brow bone, so we use some of his um casts for his teeth, and I was able to uh create this look of a caveman for him for one Halloween. That's I I do think though that a lot of that creativity is I I see it very much transmuted in pool as well.

Mark Wilson 30:09

So I think I always love the artistic side of pool because you see like Ephraim Reyes create shots that you don't generally see other players play, you know. I I love that expression, but you have to have a super repeating stroke to be able to do it. So it took me a long time to kind of get the feel of that.

Hydred Goldberg 30:33

Right, right. I oh yes. The magician and the other magician, you know. There's a few magicians out there, aren't there? They're all right, right. I I keep thinking of Chris Melling's eight ball run.

Allison Fisher 30:49

Oh, yeah, it's crazy. Absolutely. Oh, it's beautiful. Just it really is. You know, from another planet too.

Hydred Goldberg 30:58

Uh yeah, yeah. Just wildly creative, being able to see those lines. Um, yeah, that's that's something.

Mike Gonzalez 31:10

Yeah, well, uh before we get to your back to your kind of developing your own game, I I I I do want to bring this up because we talked about a little bit yesterday, and that's the the Philippines connection for you personally with family, but also to pool, and how you probably haven't tapped into it as you would have liked to. You know, uh vis-a-vis like Mark Wilson, who I mentioned had spent a few months over there with Efren, uh learning that while he thought going in he was a really good pool player, it was a humbling, at the same time, learning experience, wasn't it, Mark? The cab driver could beat me.

Hydred Goldberg 31:49

Yeah. It's real. This thing. Philippine Paul and Filipinos are it's huge. It's it's also like karaoke singing. I think I'd mentioned this uh yesterday with you, Mike. That that's one of the number one things that Philippines is known in terms of talent and sport is Ephraim Reyes with Paul and Leah Salonga with her incredible voice.

Mark Wilson 32:20

Um, so it's uh that's one thing that you'll find with most Filipinos is that they love we love to sing and we love to every day, every day there's singing, and every day at every karaoke bar, it's Filipino twang on Elvis Presley. That is throughout the country.

Mike Gonzalez 32:40

That's so true, right?

Allison Fisher 32:42

Shame they didn't have the beat source, Mark. I'm sorry.

Mike Gonzalez 32:45

I know. Yeah, and everyone knows Efren over there. You know, I I uh my wife and I went a cruise a few weeks ago, and we had a lot of uh a lot of a lot of uh uh staff on the boat. So we're from all over the world, but but I I I always looked at their signs, and I of course I'd I would I would chat up the Filipinos, and the first question I ask is, do you know Efren Reyes? And there was of course I know Efren Reyes. They didn't play pool necessarily, but everybody knew who Efren Reyes was.

Hydred Goldberg 33:20

Yeah. I mean, talk about an artistic uh shooter, creative shooter, and I I think because obviously that was my one of my first idols uh with Paul is is Efren. Uh and just um I I don't know, I wanted to connect more with that side, and there there there holds quite a bit of pride with that. In some ways I feel a little stuck because I'm kind of stuck between these three areas, England, America and and the Philippines. And it's like who who do I most relate to? And it's like I d I don't know, I relate to Paul. I d you know um it's heartwarming. I I I actually want to go to the Philippines at this time in my life. You know, it's a s kind of a source of pride and you know, a little bit of an ego stroke too. You know, um I I don't know. It's yeah, and I don't really know why it was so large. I don't know. Maybe you guys have any ideas on how the pool culture became so huge in the Philippines.

Mark Wilson 34:37

Well, I think it's so intricate, and they have that uh capacity to keep working at it. And then it was something that I think the US soldiers brought to the Philippines, and then the players there took it upon themselves to elevate it beyond like Americans are sloppy and lazy in general, and they just get tired of working hard at something so focused. And over there, it's like an art form that they just work at and they're proud of whatever achievement they make. Even the lesser quality players are still proud of what they've accomplished throughout that. So that's what I witnessed.

Hydred Goldberg 35:14

Yeah. But yeah.

Allison Fisher 35:16

And then there's some great female players coming through now. Chesska Centino is amazing. And then Rubylin at Amet. Yeah, yeah. It really is. I mean, it's they're doing fabulous things for this sport over there, too.

Mike Gonzalez 35:29

Right.

Allison Fisher 35:30

Lots of women have been encouraged to compete now, which is really good.

Hydred Goldberg 35:33

That's it is so true. You know, I I got the chance to talk to Rubylin in length in uh Rome um early of this early this month. And uh it was interesting because they didn't know that I was for the Pinot. And it's I think it's pretty common. I don't and I don't know why maybe it's the accent.

Allison Fisher 35:58

That's a little throw-off. For the US thing flag.

Hydred Goldberg 36:03

Yeah. That's another thing that could throw you off. Just minor details. Yeah, right. Flags and accents. Yeah.

Mark Wilson 36:12

Yeah, the Tagallo accent always has kind of a sing-song-y type of uh uh approach. So if you come from England, you're never gonna capture that type of thing yet. Yeah, you are speaking proper English. Yeah, yeah.

Allison Fisher 36:29

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