John Schmidt w/Bob Keller - Part 2 (Inside the Setup: How John Schmidt Built the Perfect Straight Pool Storm)

Mike Gonzalez 0:13

What did your practice look like leading up to March the 4th, your first day at this?

John Schmidt 0:19

Oh, my first day was well, surprisingly, I ran 125 and like 130 back-to-back shots the first two innings. But I could tell it was ugly. I told Bob, I said, I'm not in stroke, and I haven't played straight pole in six years. You know, and I'd said, I'm I'm gonna play better than this because my cue ball was out of line and my swerve and deflection control was not dialed in, and and the runs were ugly. And and the first day, my high run, I think, was 251, and it was ugly. It wasn't a pretty run. The next day, like a same thing. My high run was like I did run 212 and 237 back to back, but you've got to understand how far that is from 800, which is what we're trying to do here. So it was demoralizing and alarming because I started having self-doubts. I said, you know, maybe at 52 years old you just can't run five, six hundred balls. I mean, maybe my eyes are going bad. Maybe I'm too weak. I don't know. This could be ugly, Bob, but I'll keep trying.

Mike Gonzalez 1:16

Well, I guess what I was getting at before you started. Oh, March 2nd. March 2nd, March 1st. What were you doing practice-wise to prepare?

John Schmidt 1:24

Where was I March 1st? The gun range. Yeah, well, well, that's the thing. Oh, oh, that's the thing. Barry Emerson cloth to my table and then I covered it and I didn't touch it because I didn't want to break it in, wear it out until Bob got here. So over that 10-day period, I was actually up in Pavilion, Wyoming, and I played some one pocket on three and seven eight cents pockets, and I managed to run a 126 or 128 on that table with my friend. I mean, this table is so tight. I could like I'm as proud of that run as I am 800. It was crazy. So that kind of got me tuned in. And then once Bob booked his flight and I knew he was showing up, what I do is I go into basically super relaxed mode where I just watch YouTube, I stay off my legs, I go shoot my guns, I don't play any pool because I don't want to burn myself out physically. Because I know when Bob gets here, I'm gonna pocket between a thousand and fourteen balls a day for seven straight days. Try that the next time you're bored. The next time you're feeling energetic, just try that. I'm telling you, it's nuts. It's hard to do.

Allison Fisher 2:28

Sorry, how do you decide what time of day you're gonna do it? That's a good question. How long does it last?

John Schmidt 2:33

Very simple, Allie. It's the same way I drive. I think most of us do this when you drive. It's right when you first wake up. Why waste two or three hours of that energy? I would start at 6 a.m. if it was up to me. But Bob and I started, I told Bob I said I'd like to tee off every day at about 9 o'clock and play till maybe one and take a lunch break and then put in an afternoon session, we would call it. The first two days I took like 18 and 19 innings. It was ugly. It was wearing me out because I wasn't putting up, I couldn't even run over 300. My first two days was like 250 was my high, which sounds good. It's horrible for me on the table this easy. If I don't run 300 every day, I'm pissed. So I was like, man, now I burned 40 innings. My legs are already tired, my shoulders are killing me. We're not even into day three, like, this ain't good. And I think day three, I snapped out of my coma and ran 337 or something. 5'12. Oh, oh, maybe 5'12. Okay, yeah, I did a good run on the third day, but but basically what you're saying, Allie, is what I did was I'd wake up at 6 and take a shower and make breakfast for me and Bob. And I'm about a 200 Fargo cook. I don't know how he's still alive, my cooking. But but uh we would celebrate not having food poisoning, and then we'd go in and play straight pool out in my shop, which is 30 feet out the back door, you know. Turn on some tunes, turn on the heater, vacuum the table, polish the balls. I the one thing that I'm good at, I'm not good at much in life, but the one thing I'm really good at is compartmentalizing when I'm doing something. Like, you know, when I'm at the gun range, that's all I'm thinking about, or you know, yeah when I'm at standing. Yeah, I'm really good at focusing. And so when I get into this straight pull mode, I really go into, I want to run a big run, I want to impress Bob, I want to capture something special on camera, I want to prove to myself I'm not too old. I go into this real like fight or flight mode of like this matters to me. And it sounds corny because it's like, well, does it really matter? It's a practice run and a garage, but it's a way for me to prove to my own pride and ego and self-esteem that I'm still relevant and that I can still play and that I'm not washed up because people tell me you're washed up and irrelevant, and they love saying that. And this is my way of saying, uh, maybe not. John, you should talk about your BPI. Well, that's funny because that is the only damn thing that matters. Everybody, and this is my fault. The whole world thinks all that matters in straight pool is high runs. So I'm gonna give you an extreme example. Let's say Mike Gonzalez and I play straight pool tomorrow, thousand-point game, and Mike runs 408 the first shot, and then his next hundred shots at the table are 10. But I get up and run 140 every shot. Now, who do you think the best straight pool player is? Okay, so the ball per inning average is what truly matters. And I'm gonna say this on camera and I'm gonna get lambasted for this, but I think the BPI that I put up over 83 innings could stand up against Joshua Filler, Torsten Holman, Jason Shaw, or God himself. Now that sounds arrogant, and it kind of is, but a hundred and five BPI over 83 innings, I don't think anybody's gonna, I'm not saying they can't do as good, but I think I could defend myself against anybody on the planet if they want to take 83 innings, add up all the balls you ran, divided by the innings you took, and if you have a 105 BPI, I might give you some Bitcoin. Good shooting.

Mike Gonzalez 6:22

I'd call it a 106 because I'm gonna round up. Yeah, plus round up, Mike. I like that.

Allison Fisher 6:28

Well, that's gonna be great for people to see all these stats.

John Schmidt 6:31

Well, you know what's funny, Allison, the thing people will find the most interesting about the stats, I think, and that I would find most interesting is not what does John's high runs look like. It's well, what does my bad innings look like? Well, here's the thing, folks. My bad innings look just like everybody else's. I run threes and twelves and sevens and twenty-sixes just like everybody else. I just try not to do it as often. But I have plenty of terrible endings where I run four.

Bob Keller 6:59

I mean, point this out. Even if you subtract the 820 from your week of play, John's BPI was still 95. And I've tracked a lot of pros. That's at least 10 to 20 points higher than any other pro I've ever seen.

John Schmidt 7:13

Well, I never heard about this BPI thing until Bob brought it up. I was down on the dumps and Jason broke my record, and Bob said to me, You did break your record, but I tracked Shaw's innings over five days and yours over five days, and your high run was only 338 and his was 714. I go, Well, God, his ball printing average had to double mine. He goes, No, his was 75, and yours was 96. I go, well, that don't, that ain't nothing. He goes, Are you crazy? If you guys both take 100 innings, you're beating him by over 2,000 balls. So that kind of pumped me up. Like, maybe I can play like Shaw, maybe I can run 800. And so Bob's whole BPI stats that I never knew about, I never kept track of because you know, all I talk about is high runs. I never knew about this. And it would be like, Mike, you're the golf guy. It would be like telling me, yes, somebody shot a lower golf score than you, but your average golf score is lower than anybody else's. And that gave me a lot of like hope. Like, well, maybe I'm better than I thought and I could do some damage here. Does that make sense? Yeah.

Mike Gonzalez 8:15

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So before we get into the run, guys, I guess there's uh just I think it'd be good to set the stage, and you've done a little bit of this, both of you, in terms of describing conditions and so forth, but let's just let's just talk about the setup and the methods and and uh the equipment used and and the venue, and you talked about climatic conditions. Let's just set that all up for our listeners before we sort of jump into the run itself. And so I guess we could start with the table. All right. And so I think on the screen, guys, you're probably seeing, and for our listeners, you have to describe this, but we're trying to show some pictures of what the setup looked like. So talk about the table again, then talk about the pocket setup, okay?

John Schmidt 8:56

Bob, do you want to do that or do you want me to talk about it? Or just I mean, it's it's pretty simple. I mean, it's a gold crown, it's a gold crown five, fantastic table. These pockets are big enough to fit my entire ego in. They're gigantic. But they're but the thing is, they're legal. I didn't have the facings turned in. I didn't have the shelf cut away. It's a totally stock table. Got it from Barry Emerson. He didn't doctor to do anything weird to it. It's just what you'd call a standard gold crown five right from the factory. And to break a big record or run a big number, you just play on five-inch pockets like Shaw did, like Moscone did. Obviously, these are big pockets, so by pro standards are huge. I get it.

Mike Gonzalez 9:38

That's Yeah. So if you're if you're watching this on video, you're you're able to see this. Otherwise, our listeners, you have to take our word for it. But we're showing a sort of the front of a corner pocket uh at five inches. And then, guys, as you get toward the back of the the the uh the pocket, you can kind of see the the shelf uh depth as well as the the pocket size.

John Schmidt 9:57

Well, do you notice how they're now four and a half inches in the back? That's key. Because because if you make the pockets what you'd call square, where the pocket in the back is the same as in the front, the pocket plays way easier. And so that's why we wanted to show all the photos that I didn't sand the shelf away or doctor the facings or have the thing phony, because I don't want to be, you know, later in life, people if anybody wants to come look at this table, it's setting right here at my house. You can come doctor or bring your protractor and tape measure and all that. It's just a legitimate table. But that's a key thing, that photo right there, because you can't have the pockets doctored to where the angles are not within spec. Now you're not playing pool if you do that. So Yeah.

Mike Gonzalez 10:41

And then we'll show the uh side pocket, kind of what that uh looks like.

John Schmidt 10:45

That's the lot that's the largest you can make a side pocket and be legal. Actually, it could be a little bigger than that, believe it or not. But I told Barry, just make them, just make them like we did before, just to where they're totally legal. But as big as you can make them, though, I need help here, but don't go overboard where they're illegal.

Mike Gonzalez 11:03

So let's let's talk a little bit more about preparation. You talked about the brand, you talked about the size of the table, we talked about the pockets. Simona's cloth, I assume.

John Schmidt 11:12

Simona's cloth, Simon's 860 HR, and now I'm biased because I represent Predator. You see my little Predator patch. I think they're the best, the best equipment. They don't pay me enough to lie. I'm telling you. The Qs play amazing, but the Arcos balls that they sent me and I used in this run, I don't know what it is about them, but damn, they are like the best thing I've I've ever played with. There's something about the cue ball that they got right. And I don't know how they make the balls, I don't care. I just can tell you when it's right. And these predator arcos balls play so good, and the cue ball stays like slick. It doesn't you know, if you put it under a microscope, maybe certain balls are like rougher or something. These predator arcos balls are the greatest thing ever. So that was a big thing there. Then I used the predator 1080 pure chalk, which is, you know, the formula is probably like town. They just got that right. And then a P3Q, which I sure wish I could have got one of those in the 90s when I started pool. I think I've talked about this before, and Allie will understand this because she had to make a switch from like snooker cues to pool cues, and the deflection ratio is different, the taper, and I mean, my god, it's so hard to do. Brass feral and all that stuff. The P3s, the they they have like a really stable hit at high speed, yet you can spin the ball too. Like you normally can't do both with a Q. If that I don't know if I'm wording that right, but my point is it has power and spin and touch. And normally Q's kind of do one or the other and the taper's too long and it's twangy, so it doesn't give you a stable high-speed hit on high-speed center ball. You'll get a little side spin that you don't want. These predators, you can murder the ball and get a real stable hit with no side spin, or you can sidespin the hell out of it. It's like magical. So that was helpful. You know, the Q just plays great. So when you put all of that together with my experience and my determination and my pace of play and all the equipment, you're gonna see something big. You're gonna see a five, six, seven, eight hundred ball run, you know.

Mike Gonzalez 13:23

Do you use a use a softer tip with straight pull?

John Schmidt 13:26

No, and that's a I'm glad you brought that up, Mike. That's a misconception. People, all pull tips get hard after a while. You you hit them enough, they all get hard. So people, I probably get three messages a week. What tip do you use? I'm like, a one made out of pig's ass. Don't sweat it. Like, like, like, like, as long as it doesn't, yeah, you know what I mean? Like they want to, oh, I bought this tip and it was $60. I'm like, it's just, it's just leather, you know, and I understand there's tanning processes that are better, but don't get so wrapped up on the tip. Shape it right. Use good chalk. And if your stroke is good, you won't miscue. I mean, my I mean, Bob, what did I have? One miscue and 9,000 balls or something? Something like that. I might have had one miscue and I had one skid.

Mike Gonzalez 14:11

Yeah. Yeah.

John Schmidt 14:12

Pretty bad time on that skin.

Mike Gonzalez 14:13

Well, yeah, let's go back to the balls. Okay. Talk about cleaning frequency. Did you ever use silicon spray or anything?

John Schmidt 14:19

No, no, no. You don't you don't want to use, although I do believe in all ball polishes and wax, there is some silicone, but silicone makes them so slick that you can't play shape. I like to use either Aramuth ball polish or brilliant eyes or just good old-fashioned turtle wax. And but but here's the thing you always hear people say in these pool matches on TV, well, the table's broken in. Cloth does not break in in four days, folks. I promise you. It gets chalky and it has higher friction rate because of the master chalk. When you remove that chalk, your table will play slick for months. And Mark Wilson's been around forever. He he knows I'm right. I'm sure he thought I was crazy before, but now he switched to the modern chalk. All the snooker pros have because they're smart. So you do need to polish the balls each day, but like when I ran the 626 with the master chalk, I mean I had to vacuum the table every two hours and repolish the balls every two hours to keep the balls slick where they didn't skid, they didn't have so much friction. Because you think of it like this, Mike. You took a refrigerator on a frozen lake and you tried to push it, you go, man, this fridge, I pushed it easy, it's not very heavy. You take that same refrigerator, put it in your living room on carpet, you can't budget. The fridge didn't change in weight, the friction rate did. So the higher the friction rate, you're you're trying to open a full rack of balls. They're six ounces apiece times 14. You're trying to open five, six pounds of balls. So the higher friction under them, the more they don't open. That's why you have to make them slick. And if you don't do that, you're not going to run the big runs. And so there you are. That's why I'm so obsessive about it for these high run record things.

Mike Gonzalez 16:05

Yeah. So you you talked about position relative to the balls and the ball condition. Is there a fine line between minimizing throw, just friction-induced throw, and getting enough bite on the ball to make sure you're able to hold position?

John Schmidt 16:21

That's very that's very observant of you to even know that because what happens is when you remove the friction at the level that I do, you're not able to turn the cue ball with inside English and use the rail for shape. So it limits a couple of things that I can do, but it also gives me things that I can do. And it's my job to know what those are and know what those aren't. But when the balls are very slick, you're going to get a higher deflection rate and less swerve. Now, as the run builds on say a 500-ball run, and I've shot for three hours and I've made 40 racks, the friction starts to build just a little bit, and I can feel it cerebrally, and the cue ball starts tracking a little more, the swerve rates a little earlier, and you just have all that built into your mind, you know, because I can't polish the balls every rack. I wish I could. But but um, yes, that's very astute of you to understand that because people like Allison and Bob and Mark, they have that built into their mind so, so subconsciously that they just adjust for that microscopic swerve rate increasing as the run moves on. And of course I do too, you know. But I want to start the run with the balls as slick as possible, you know, and then by the time I'm on a giant run like six or eight hundred, hopefully there's not much chalk residue on the balls. My hand oils haven't made them heavier, like the refrigerator on the ice ice, you understand? So those are all the things that if you listen to me talk and you don't understand this, you'd think I'm completely nuts. And maybe I am. But I remember in the 90s, I lived in the desert learning pool. And I remember this guy, Mike Boyce, he was about a 700 far ago. I mean, I'd never seen a player this good. I was just starting. I mean, I'd literally only played pool like two months. We lived in the desert, in the Mojave Desert. Well, it was raining that day, and I remember him saying in front of everybody, man, the table's gonna play wet. And I just thought, man, my hero here is a psycho. Like, what do you mean, wet? We're inside a building. How can the table play wet? There's no rain, you know, you don't have holes in the roof. This guy's nuts. Well, he was absolutely right. The table, once it gets damp and humid, plays way different, way harder. Which is why I go back to Bob. I'm in Wyoming, dry winter air, new cloth, polished balls, donut rings, ketosis, hoke shoes, talm chalk. Bitcoin's back up, the COVID went away. Like, let's do this. Allie, you've tried to say something a couple times and I interrupted you if you have a thought.

Allison Fisher 19:00

Well, I was just wondering how often two things. Bob, do you have to wear gloves when you're racking the balls and picking the balls out? Because they do in snooker, just out of curiosity, talking about friction.

Bob Keller 19:11

Don required me to wear gloves, and we got some cotton gloves. See? I didn't require, I requested. Well, yeah, but he didn't want the hand oils because they would when I'm racking the balls, they'll build up. And so the added benefit is I'm grabbing all of the balls with the gloves, and it kind of gives them a mini polish every time. Yes, exactly. That's right. Yeah. But it keeps them clean and it's so important.

Allison Fisher 19:36

Next question was is how often are the balls cleaned? Is it the end of the day or a couple times a day, Allie?

John Schmidt 19:43

Probably like if I get on a big run and then miss, then I throw them in my little buffer for 30 seconds and just start new.

Bob Keller 19:49

But well, you can see during the run, a few times John took a rag and the balls were in the neck, and he just he's rubbing them down with a towel. Just kind of get the chalk off. Yeah, just get the chalk off. But during the run, we never clean put the balls in the washer, although the the official rules allow that. You could have a set of balls in the washer and then swap them out every few racks if you wanted to. Okay.

Mike Gonzalez 20:10

Yeah. Yeah. All right. My question, first of all, how'd you come up with the donut ring idea? That's something I'd not seen. And take us through the process of how you set that up then, too.

John Schmidt 20:19

Well, look, I'll tell you this: the Europeans are pretty damn smart at a lot of things. I mean, I don't care if it's auto racing, firearms, they are sharp people. And I'm not saying that just because Ali's here. It's it's true. The Europeans beat us at a lot of things. And I saw the Europeans using these little donut rings 20 years ago, but I always thought they were illegal. To be honest with you, I mean, they are illegal from what I've understood. And so I remember when I was using the Sardo rack. God bless Lu Sardo, he's one of my good friends, but the Sardo rack is big. And so there were many times when I was trying to run the 626, the Sardo rack impedes the brake ball. And when I saw the guys using the donut rings, I looked at my family, I said, because they don't understand, you know, they don't play like I said, do you realize how much more real estate they're getting to use around the rack? You're getting like a full three-quarters of an inch around the entire rack. I mean, if a brake ball is close to the rack, my run was over with the sardo rack. And I always said, those damn donuts, I don't think are legal, so I'm not gonna use them. Well, after Shaw broke my record with different with the donut rings, I said, Well, I guess we're and I like donuts. Okay. So I was like, I'm gonna use them. And once I used the donut rings and the town chalk, I ran 800 within a week. Which everybody, you know, oh, the real pros took. Well, I'd like to think I'm a real pro too. Give me the same conditions and I might do some damage.

Mike Gonzalez 21:49

And so another question on the donut ring huge. Why use fifteen and not fourteen?

John Schmidt 21:56

Well, I that's a good question. I thought about that because Because that ball, you're you're right. We should have just peeled that off because that's just one that could make a ball roll off. When you put them on though, then you put the whole rack up there and then you see which ones are tight. But you're right. Looking back, yeah, I should have just peeled that front one off and just stuck it right on my forehead, you know.

Mike Gonzalez 22:18

You talked about venue. Was that your home then? Yeah, that was my house with the dry air. Yeah. Anything uh relative to your attire other than your Hocus shoes?

John Schmidt 22:28

Yeah, I just wore like a Predator t-shirt. I think I had this shirt on maybe sometimes because it was a little cooler out there. I like the room cooler because I'm gonna get hot playing. I was just wearing shorts and my Hokka tennis shoes and the Hocus shoes on top of the let's talk about the Hocus shoes for just a sec. It's funny. When I broke the record six years ago, I had never heard of Hokas, I had never seen a pair in my life in public. And then I raved about them on Facebook. I see them everywhere now. And my buddy Doug wrote Hokka and said, My friend John Schmidt just set a world record and da da da da da da da. Loved your shoes, they're the greatest thing ever. They didn't even return an email. They wouldn't even like send me a free pair of tennis shoes. And I literally see five people a day wearing them things. And anyway, they're great. They got the giant, you know, cushiony soul. So I wore those, and it was just a combination of my diet was right, the ketosis, the thrive powder. That stuff's pretty badass. That thrive powder. And then um, you know, it has like it's like AG1, it's got all the nutrients in it. You gotta try it. Again, they won't send me any packets, even though I I talk about three.

Mike Gonzalez 23:40

You need a new manager. I know, Allie. I know. You're right. I'm thinking powder. Now you I mean, well, it's like a you know, you mix it with water, drink it. I know, but I'm thinking, all right, you're wearing gloves, you don't need it on your hands. Where are you putting this stuff?

John Schmidt 23:53

Oh, you just put it, you put it in a bottle of water, drink it before I even start. Yeah, it's you're being funny, Michael.

Mike Gonzalez 23:59

I thought it was going on a body part or something.

John Schmidt 24:01

I didn't know what how I used using it. Oh, there's a lot of players that have used powder over the years, but we won't go down that rabbit hole.

Mike Gonzalez 24:07

So, Bob, Bob, why don't you weigh in on setup in terms of how the room suited the purpose? Let's talk about the filming setup you had to consider because if you were thinking about any records being broken, you had to think, okay, how do we certify this? What's required, right? Uh, because the the governing bodies are going to be pretty insistent on certain standards being met. So talk a little bit about that.

Bob Keller 24:29

Well, we got to have a practice run because a year ago in June, nine months ago, I went and spent a week with John, and I brought my home computer and a big monitor and a printer and six cameras, and we had cables strung across the ceiling, and it was just it was he couldn't even park his car in the garage. I had so much stuff in there. And so it was kind of a test run figuring out what what we needed to do. But but uh this time I just brought a laptop and one extra camera. So we had we had two cameras, each one was connected to one laptop computer, and then there was a microphone connected to one as well. So you had a camera and a microphone that were redundant. So if one of them quit, the other one would keep going. They were completely isolated. But it was just a simple setup. One camera was from the end and one was from the side of the table. So and that's a requirement if you want to go for a world record that you have a redundant camera so that they can check for fouls and things like that from different camera angles. But it worked really well in this curve, you know, it's a garage, so it's not the tallest ceiling, and there's not a lot of extra space around the table, but just the simplicities we went for so that so that if we make it too complex, something can go wrong. So just real simple. All we had to do was in the morning was open the computer, open up OBS and hit record, and that's it. We're done.

Mike Gonzalez 25:45

Yeah, so as the day's going on, you're you're not at the keyboard, you're focused on what's going on at the table, you're racking the ball as you're doing.

Bob Keller 25:51

Once in a while, I would walk over to the computers and just make sure they were both still running. I think only one time during the week did one computer lock up and just restarted it and we're good to go.

Mike Gonzalez 26:02

So Yeah. You've got clips out there, you've got the full run on video, which I've watched. No audio, and there was a reason for that.

Bob Keller 26:11

Well, John had music running through speakers, and I wanted him to listen to whatever music he wanted. He was listening to some some energetic music, but of course, for music copyright, you've got to turn the sound off. And I could have said, hey, John, you should put in some earbuds. Yeah, I didn't even think about that. I didn't, yeah, I didn't want to, you know, press him to do anything that he wasn't comfortable with. I wanted just wanted it to be as comfortable for him as it could be, so he didn't have to think about anything else but playing cool. Yeah. Yeah. Well, one thing, one thing maybe next time you try the earbuds, I don't know.

John Schmidt 26:41

Bob, one thing about all of this though that I think a lot of people might not understand, the reason it works so good at the house is it cuts down on the expenses and it takes pressure off me. Because before, when I had my buddy Doug Desmond was spending so much money because we were breaking the record on the road. We motels and food and renting apartments, and it was putting so much heat on me to not fail because he spent like 12 grand in three months. I mean, he's a wealthy guy, but still 12 grand is 12 grand. At the house here, you know, it didn't cost us as much. So it took the pressure off me. Like I didn't feel like I was letting you down, Bob, as much. If at the end of the week my high run was 360, cool. We'll go have a cheeseburger and call it good. You know, but but yeah, that's why we had to do it here because out on the road, you can't you can't spend 400 a day on the road and then go, come on, John, produce greatness. We're all spending money here. It just it's brutal.

Mark Wilson 27:36

Yeah.

Bob Keller 27:37

You're more comfortable. You're sleeping in your own bed at night, you're cooking with your own dishes in your own kitchen. It's just more comfortable.

Mark Wilson 27:43

Yeah.

Allison Fisher 27:43

Perfect.

John Schmidt 27:43

Yeah, it was perfect. And I don't have to beg a bartender to polish the balls, but maybe they don't do it right, or could you turn the temperature down? It's too humid, and none of that. I it was like a laboratory that I could completely control. And again, I I understand these conditions are easy and it's just by myself. But when you're an old man, everybody that plays pool, wouldn't you like to know what you're truly capable of? And that's why when you set up conditions like this, I don't have to wonder when I'm 80 if I can make it that long. The way I eat ice cream, probably won't. But I can say this was what my absolute zenith of ability could produce. I don't have to wonder. I don't have to tell you I could run 800, I could just do it because I can't stand it when people I could do that, then just go do it since it sounds so easy.

Allison Fisher 28:30

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